Dee Woffaz Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Apparently our prisons are full to capacity at the moment with convicted & remanded prisoners resulting from the riots. I wonder if anyone has thought about buying back ?The Good Ship Weare?, HMP Weare was moored off Portland to help with prison overcrowding in the late 1990s. The inspector of prisons thought the conditions were too poor to house prisoners. It was eventually sold off in 2005 to a Nigerian oil company to house oil workers. Conditions too poor to house prisoners but clearly not for honest working people in another country. Bought at premium, sold off cheaply??Would these conditions be too poor to house rioters who think it is ok to deprive others of their homes, business, jobs and their basic human rights? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissNoodlesHats Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 house rioters who think it is ok to deprive others of their homes, business, jobs and their basic human rights?You can see that the press has done its job on behalf of the coalition and turn everyone against each other and away from those who are also to blame, this coalition government. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-466947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Woffaz Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............... you think? Half the people rioting had no idea who was in power & have no concept of politics.'the Conservatives or whatevvvveeer', and how they are "showing the rich we can do what we want". "Good though, innit? Classic! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-466952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Half the people rioting had no ideawho was in power & have no concept ofpolitics. Really? How do you know that? Or have you just made that up? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-466956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I agree with you MissNoodleshats on this one, those who have deprived others of there businesses and their homes do deserve to lose there liberty but I can?t believe that the coalition really think it has nothing to do with some of there policies. Its funny how Prince Charles see the underline issues and the coalition do not want to. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-466958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Don't know if you are correct in your original assertion Dee.The MOJ says that there are about 2000 places free before prisons reach "operational capacity" and there is also a small ceiling above this to allow for emergencies. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-466990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissNoodlesHats Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Thanks, its just a general point, it needs to be made though over and over on the blogosphere. The letter to Cameron's parents on the other thread totally exposes the brass neck of these people. If we are withdrawing benefits from rioters as a result of criminality then we should have removed all expense benefits from politicians for a period of 18months, and apply some kind of limit to the period of stay for all news international executives. Why not? An eye for eye and all that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Very true blue collar crime is judged far more harshly then white collar crime that has not changed over the centuries. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Woffaz Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share Posted August 18, 2011 David,maybe i should have read the BBC news web page too. 2000 is very few in grand scheme of 83 and a half thousand. My question is do we think another prison ship would be a viable proposition to house short term convicted rioters, not who is responsibe for making people roit. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Ridgley Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Very true blue collar crime is judged far more> harshly then white collar crime that has not> changed over the centuries.On the other hand, white collar crime often carry some more intangible punishments - generally loss of career with the associated loss of earnings for the rest of their working lives. Most white collar crime involves an abuse of trust, so you will find these people will never be allowed into such a position ever again. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minkey Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 " Most white collar crime involves an abuse of trust, so you will find these people will never be allowed into such a position ever again."Unless you're Andy Coulson, of course. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 You also find Loz that white collar worker, are quite wealthy so losing there position yes it is a form of embarrassment to them but they live quite well not heard of a lot of them on the poverty line like below a few examples.Will Strauss-KahnThe Hamilton?sJeffrey ArcherMaybe the Murdochs Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 For the super rich, yes, they will survive. But 99.9% of white collar workers don't have that kind of money. For your general white collar worker earning just into the 40% tax bracket then it is not just embarrassing, it is career ending. And that is a massive punishment. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Like I said Loz never heard of any White Collar worker on the breadline, they still tend to live comfortably or they just go abroad. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterstorm1985 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Er, not sure where your definition of white/blue collar worker comes from there Ridgley. I know quite a few white collar (ie non-manual) workers who live on the breadline. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Ridgley Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Like I said Loz never heard of any White Collar worker on the breadline, they still tend to live> comfortably or they just go abroad.You have a weird definition of a white collar worker. There are many, many white collar workers on minimus wage.So how would a white collar worker, convicted of a white collar crime, "still tend to live comfortably or they just go abroad."?? They are finished. End of career. Game over. Most skills are no more transferable abroad than most blue collar workers (some rather less so) and any trust an employer would have in them has gone. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/19101-the-good-ship-weare/#findComment-467343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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