East Dulwich property prices

[Quaywe]

I bet they smoke too.

On another note, can this thread please go back to the lines of: "I bought an x brm semi in 1999 and recently sold it for ?XXX,XXX"? I need some middle class self gratification that my house is making me a bundle. >;o)

[Huguenot]

Well I originally acquired mine for a second class stamp with a picture of Loughborough on it, and I've just been offered a whole mule and an arse in part exchange. They didn't have a box for the arse though. Bah humbug.

[Guest]

Always good to know that, when you're ready to retire, you can sell-up, cash-in and live like a king. In Barnsley.. Or Hull, perhaps.

[Guest]

Oh - sorry, I forgot we don't have a choice of career.

And - no im not in PR, marketing, property etc. I (like most of you) just work hard to make ends meet and try to keep manufacturing and pride in this country. I am totally fed up with the expectations the British have. We all seem to think that we are entitled to 'luxuries' regardless of how hard we work or what we do. I would love a new car or even new kitchen, but I can't afford it so I stick with what I have and try to earn more to pay for them. I expect more howls of anguish from the ED trots, but the British are becoming a really lazy bunch who rely on the goverment do everything for them and still expect to be able to go on holidays at least 4 times a year, have 2 cars, a house where they want and retire at 60 - all for working not a minute more than 37.5hrs a week.

F off will you.

[Guest]

It's an entertaining exaggeration, Thom (I don't know any social workers, for example, who expect two cars and 4 holidays a year - it's not the sort of job which attracts such people, on the whole).. but one which entirely misses the point. The point was, simply, that there ARE people who ARE dedicated AND work hard but for whom the material rewards aren't high. Or to put it another way.. 'not earning much money' is not always directly linked to being, as you say, 'bone-idle'. That's all. It's a good job someone wants to to these jobs. I wouldn't - I have enough trouble parking both my cars outside my (rapidly appreciating) house.

[Quaywe]

Bob Wrote:

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> Always good to know that, when you're ready to

> retire, you can sell-up, cash-in and live like a

> king. In Barnsley.. Or Hull, perhaps.

Or even New Zealand!

[Guest]

Thom (a pen name for Norman Tebbit?), you're making less and less sense. A few tips:

1)British people work the longest hours and have the longest commuting times in Europe.

2)Wealth is does not necessary an indicator of hard work. Ever heard of Paris Hilton?

3)Similarly, poor people are not necessarily lazy and useless.

4)Owning a home in London should not be a "luxury." But if all the rich people keep clambering greedily up the ladder, buying everything up to make more and more money, the prices rocket and the poor can't afford anything. And so the poverty gap widens.

5) The process described in 4) above causes ghettoisation and increased social problems as we create a whole ASBO generation. This in turn makes Tories like you whinge because your taxes have to go up to pay for what happens as a direct consequence (family breakdown, delinquency etc.) If the system was fairer in the first place we would all be better off. Countries like Sweden show how it can work. Go to New Orleans to find out what happens if we carry on the way we're going.

[Guest]

Who cares about all this crap about longest hours? That statistic is misleading - look at the Yanks: they work extremely long hours and take 2 weeks leave a year, yet a lot of that time at work is only posturing - ie. they are seen to appear to be working, rather than actually putting in the hard graft. Just because the Brits work the longest hours doesn't necessarily mean they are working quality time. Sometimes they are just providing a shoddy service over a longer period of time.

[Guest]

James - you are in parts totally correct and I couldn't agree with you more - but I must point out that while there are always notable exceptions and people face some terrible misforture (which is not their fault at all), the majority of people who have a comfortable standard of living are very lucky. And have worked very hard for that luck!

Also - to note and agree with Michael, the French work some of the shortest hours and per-capita are some of the most productive in Europe (not their national stereotype at all..)!

[Quaywe]

Blimey James, does all that stuff you just rambled on about really cause hurricanes!?

Italians and Greeks don't work very hard, but neither do they claim to. Being laid back is in their culture. I wish I lived there! Poms are by far the laziest workers I know. That's why "antipodeans" are so well valued over here in professional circles. You poms don't know the meaning of hard work. I'd rather have a Polish tradesman working on my house, even if he didn't speak english, than a pom. By the time I'd translated my scope of work to him the pom would have just finished his morning tea "break".

Now can we stop talking about rich getting rich and poor getting poorer and talk about how much money I'm making on my house again!? ;-)

[blinder999]

A slight over-generalization there I think EDKiwi - I have to stick up for the Great British tradesman here.

Lordship Lane Carpets arranged for a couple of excellent English workers to do my floors a couple of years ago - Vinnie from Greenwich did a meticulous job on our large, odd-shaped lounge at lightning speed, and the carpet chap did a very good job too. No messing about, in early and finished late, at short notice too. They deserve their place on the recommended page.

[Quaywe]

Blinder, of course, yes, there is always an exception to every rule...

[Guest]

The reason why many British tradesmen are so lazy is because they too are victims of our class-based society, growing up ignorant and badly raised by their parents, fed a diet of bigoted tabloid nonsense and consumerist pornography that encourages them to resist authority and any kind of self-discipline and not bother to take a pride in their work. Another facet of our individualist hyper-capitalist society (see my post above) where it's all about ME ME ME. MY RIGHTS, MY HOUSE, MY EVERYTHING but not, curiously enough, MY RESPONSIBILITIES to anything or anyone.

Btw Thom I agree with you about France.

ED, I was talking about the social divisions that the hurricane exposed, not the hurricane itself. Unless you were joking.

[Administrator]

This thread is/was/is again about property prices in East Dulwich. Whilst I agree that standing around on the job and drinking shed loads of tea and slagging off the Poles for working really hard and taking all the jobs is a point of discussion I'm afraid it's going to have to continue on another thread. Please feel free to start a new one and I'll link to it from here for anyone who wants to follow it. Sorry, but it's gone way too far off the original topic and it's not fair on people who are interested in East Dulwich property prices.

[Mark]

Blimey, I see an ED Estate Agent's sold a one bedroom flat on Whateley Road for ?260,000! Is that a record?

[Guest]

That is the most a 1 bed has gone under offer for in the immediate area last year. I know the flat you are talking about and it should have sold for more. I'm expecting exceptional 1 bed garden flats close to Lordship Lane on the nicer streets to reach ?275,000 by the end of March.

[EPB]

Plus ca change .......

[KidKruger]

If only

[StraferJack]

Has any one else's salary gone up by equivalent since those 275k 1 bed flat days?

No, me neither

[binary_star]

"Coupled with rising house prices, that has increased the average age of an unassisted first-time buyer from 23 in the 1960s to 37 today."

http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/2014/03/home-ownership?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ourhouse

[binary_star]

Thom Wrote:

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> the majority of people who have a comfortable standard of living are very

> lucky. And have worked very hard for that luck!

Total misunderstanding of the word 'luck' which by definition requires no work.

A bit like 'earning' money from property that was easy to buy in a time where houses were available for a 3x salary mortgage. First time buyers trying to get on the ladder now are looking at 7x ? Their luck has run out as they face trying to save to buy what would be the equivalent of two first houses (slightly more actually).

[nxjen]

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EPB Wrote:

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> Plus ca change .......

Oh, I don't know, increased house prices have pushed out some of the (blattalntly middle class) lefty miserabilism from the EDF....James isn't missed by me

[StraferJack]

You resurrected an ancient thread for that?

And do you mean this James, still posting?

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/search.php?5,search=James,page=1,match_type=AUTHOR,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL

[????]

er, I ressurect??????...pay attention (or scroll up a bit) before you bite

Fookin hell I just noticed you've even posted on it today!!!! You on a day drinking thing today?