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[Otta]

Exactly.

[Alan Medic]

It's perfectly clear. Maybe you don't understand Scottish DDT?

[Undisputedtruth]

I replayed the footage over twenty times and the "he shouldn't have done" part wasn't clear tome.

Time to move on, AM?

[Otta]

I replayed the footage over twenty times

And to think you called ME a loser!

[Undisputedtruth]

Is it any worse than your defending of Suarez? I doubt it, Otta.

[Otta]

Not quite sure how you can compare the two, but there you go.

I'm going to say this one last time. IF Suarez intended racism against Evra, then he deserved his ban. But I don't think it has ever been proven that he did.

Liverpool have been very loyal to their player, and he threw it back at them by not shaking Evra's hand. That was stupid. However, he will spend the rest of his life labelled as a racist by people like you, and that can't be a very nice feeling. So, if he believes that Evra lied, and is responsible for that, you can kind of see how he wouldn't want to shake the man's hand.

I've never exactly defended him, I've just said that no one knows for sure what happened, and he could be innocent.

You immediately decided he was guilty, but have never been able to show any proof.

Either way, sitting and watching a manager's interview over 20 times is just weird.

[Alan Medic]

Even Evra said Suarez wasn't a racist. He was found guily of making racist comments I believe. There is a difference. If you read the report of the case on the FA website Otta you will probably find yourself as well informed of what happened as you possibly could be. It is a very well structured report.

As I said UDT, learn Scottish. It's as clear as day to me what Ferguson said.

[Otta]

as well

informed of what happened as you

possibly could be.

That's exactly it.

[maxxi]

Having seen the aerial view in slo-mo I have a small grenade to lob into the discussion. It's not intended to excuse amything but may, I think, help explain why Suarez would do something so stupid.

As Suarez approaches you can clearly see Evra drop his right hand. He lowers it from the position it was in to shake the hand of the man in the line before Suarez but then drops to his hip although it is still held horizontally in a 'let's shake' position.

This is an old playground ploy. When teacher asked two boys who had been fighting to "shake", one way of retaining the upper hand was to offer ones hand as close to ones body and as low down as possible. This makes your foe reach further and lower than they would normally have to. It's a kind of "I'm not gonna reach for you, you b*st*rd, I'm gonna make you reach for me".

Suarez saw this happen as he approached and, as he passes, he is careful to keep his hand at the same height as before in a kind of "my hand's here to shake but if you think you are going to make me stoop/grovel/reach-out to an unnatural degree you've got another think coming. If you withdraw your hand to a different level then it is you who are at fault" and so passes on maintaining his hand at that height so it next automatically comes into contact with DeGea's hand.

Suarez should have 'reached' but if - as has been suggested - he was still smarting because he believed that what he said was not racist and that he had been punished unjustly the it is easy to see how stubborn pride together with a sense of injustice may have taken over in that brief instant.

I know this pov is doing the rounds amongst disgruntled LFC supporters but what I saw on MOTD from that one angle certainly seemed to show that it was not as clear cut as it first appeared.

[Undisputedtruth]

Otta Wrote:

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> Either way, sitting and watching a manager's

> interview over 20 times is just weird.

This is something that I don't normally do. But I felt it was worth spending five minutes of my time to clarify what was actually said.

@Maxxi,

Interesting theory but if you look at the other Man Utd players they mostly all had their handshake hands at hip level as well.

[Otta]

So they're all rude bastards!

[red devil]

I thought keeping your hand low was so that the other guy would be forced to reach forward and 'accidentally' brush against your crotch...or is that a boarding school thing?

[Otta]

Liverpool / Suarez response / apology.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17004667

R_D, I believe that's known as the Vinny Jones school of handshakes.

[Atticus]

Daglish too, for his conduct during interview. It appears Liverpool have finally fronted up on this issue, thankfully.

[Mick Mac]

Atticus Wrote:

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> Daglish too, for his conduct during interview. It

> appears Liverpool have finally fronted up on this

> issue, thankfully.

Much too late unfortunately...

[StraferJack]

Too late? Maybe

Much too late? Don't think so. Better late than

Never in this case. Leaves a lot of Liverpool flat earther fans (I'm not including otta here btw. Think he has presented his arguments well) looking very silly. But like japanese fighters post ww2, some will carry on

[Undisputedtruth]

It was interesting hearing Ian Ayre, Liverpool's managing director, claiming that Suarez had misled Dalglish and him over the hand shake incident. This leaves me to think that Suarez is a compusive liar and willing to lie just about anything including his testimonial to the FA last December.

I was wondering if Liverpool FC lacked a moral compass until Ian Ayre had spoken.

[Parkdrive]

Listening to John Barnes on Talksport and asking why is there a problem with Suarez nor shaking Evras hand!!! Really John? What colour was your skin last time you looked in the mirror?

[Parkdrive]

Liverpool were forced in to making an apology and not because they felt any sense of wrong doing on their part. Very poor.

[Otta]

It was interesting hearing Ian Ayre,

Liverpool's managing director, claiming

that Suarez had misled Dalglish and him

over the hand shake incident. This leaves

me to think that Suarez is a compusive liar

and willing to lie just about anything

including his testimonial to the FA last

December.

If anyone else wrote that, I'd find it funny, as they'd probably be joking. In your case though, I suspect you really mean it.

PS. It LEADS you to think.

[Undisputedtruth]

There is nothing wrong with my sentence at all. I've seen newspaper journalist using the same expression.

[Otta]

There are some pretty stupid journalists out there.

Anyway, back to your "point". Do you seriously believe that if someone lies once, they are a compulsive liar?

[Undisputedtruth]

Perhaps journalists aren't as samllminded as you are, Otta.

Well in Suarez case I think he told more than one lie,don't you think?

[Otta]

Am I small minded now too? Not sure what the hell that would have to do with language anyway, but there you go.

It's a shame for Suarez that you were not sitting on the investigation panel, as by your own logic, Evra's evidence would have had to have been thrown out, as he has lied in the past, so is clearly a compulsive liar. Suarez would have walked away, and you'd have been his hero.

[Undisputedtruth]

Suarez, a hero, more like a nasty piece of work. The FA investigation panel commended Evra.