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Otta

Otta

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Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.


We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.


We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.


The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.


LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.


It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.


Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.


He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.


It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.


It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.


We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.



Well they've certainly come out fighting.

Otta

Otta

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UDT, either you have information and access to evidence that none of the rest of us have, or you're just making stuff up because you don't like Suarez and / or Liverpool.


You are every bit as bad ad the Liverpool fans who are convinced he's innocent, without any facts.


I agree Jah, court of law will probably be next step.


I don't know if he's guilty or innocent, I just know that this "investigation" has been a shambles.

maxxi

maxxi

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Otta Wrote:

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> 8 match ban for Suarez, with 14 days to appeal.

>

> I hope they give a full explanation of how it has

> been proven, as I'm genuinely interested to know.

> I just can't understand why, if there was proof,

> this wasn't sorted out within a bloody week!


Indeed - and then let's hear about the ban (including internationals) they propose for Terry.

Undisputedtruth

Undisputedtruth

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I pointed out the evidence earlier in the thread and they have been mentioned in the media. I've repeated it more than once. Yet Otta had continued with the one man's word against another theme. I'm really surprised by Jah Lush in taking Otta's version of events as I really didn't think he was that gullible.


It's your ignorance, Otta, that makes you think I'm making things up. I shall ask you to retract your wrongful statement.

Undisputedtruth

Undisputedtruth

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El Pibe Wrote:

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> A fairly balanced view from Tim Vickery, rather

> appropriately (UDT take note) criticising a

> holier-than-thou approach to the issue.

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16262537.

> stm


It seems you've missed the first video report which sums up the case nicely. Tim Vickery's view just gives a South American perspective and pretty much irrelevant to the current case.

Otta

Otta

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Well can you point us in the direction of that video then???


Seriously UDT, whatever you may think that I think, I am not one of these Liverpool fans who assumes Suarez is innocent because he's a Liverpool player. I'll even admit that Evra has never accused anyone else of racial abuse, even when his name has been involved.


However, you have been absolutely convinced from the start that Suarez is guilty, and that is where I am confused.


If the investigation makes it's evidence public, and there is clear evidence that Suarez used racially abusive language, then I'll admit the ban is deserved, because I, like you, believe that there is no place for racism in football, or anywhere bloody else!


I just don't know how anyone who has not had access to the evidence that the investigation has looked at, can be certain about this either way.


This is from a Man U fan site, and I think it is quite right.


On Saturday, Patrice Evra of Manchester United accused Luis Suarez of Liverpool of making racist remarks towards him. Unfortunately, though the ?of?s in the previous sentence should not be of importance, they have been made so. It has become about football. This is not an incident about football. It took place on a football pitch, between two men wearing football shirts, but it?s not about football. To bastardise a famous Bill Shankly quote, it?s much more important than that.


Immediately after the allegations were made, a lot of people reacted based on which team they supported. United fans were quick to label Suarez a racist, with certainty, whilst Liverpool fans accused Evra of lying, also with certainty.

Undisputedtruth

Undisputedtruth

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Sorry to see you leave Otta but it wasn't as though you knew the facts of the case. And your personal remarks towards me are really a reflection of your ignorance.


Also, it seems you're confusing a legal decision to that from a Court. In order for the QC to arrive at his decision he would have to consider all the arguments in a legal framework.

Jah Lush

Jah Lush

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Gullible you say.


So what's acceptable all over south America is not acceptable here. That's it. Guilty. We can see that and such words aren't acceptable here. But considering Suarez is of mixed race himself and the word "negreto" is commonplace and even used as a term of endearment where he's from because of such nuances and cultural differences what would sound racist to us here in England is not to South Americans so he's guilty (of naivety if nothing else) because he is unaware of those differences. Hmmm... An innocent abroad.


Evra's Mexican team-mate Hernandez has mentioned calling him the same thing without a problem. Why didn't Evra complain about Hernandez then or why haven't the FA charged him too seeing as both players have admitted using the word? I don't think Evra has covered himself in glory in this instance and nor have the FA.


Let's see what happens to John Terry who from my take from lip reading said "I didn't call you a fucking black cunt."

Should be interesting.

Parkdrive

Parkdrive

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Can't believe AVB said he will stick by Terry whatever outcome of court case. Is he for real!!!! So if guilty of racism you'll stand by him! Can't believe it!!


Jah you're spot on re Suarez. One mans word against another, quite how the authorities proved this case is puzzling.

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