Mindless Thugs in East Dulwich

[MrPoole]

I felt compelled to write this, as I was so disgusted by these mindless, idiotic thugs that I share my country with, tearing peoples lives apart, i needed to vent my views.

I'm from East Dulwich, in South London, a place I used to feel relatively safe in. However even this small, close knit community was attacked, by stupid, ignorant children and young adults, Brought up, by stupid, ignorant parents.

Firstly, I would like to start by saying I believe our fantastic police force did everything they could do with the little rights they have been given. Why all their rights have been taken away is beyond me.

Secondly, I am furious that members of government and some members of our society believe these hooligans and vandals are on this rampage because they can't get jobs, they are the 'forgotten', and/or bored and have no money, places to go, or things to do. I'm sorry, but that is total rubbish to put it mildly, and it infuriates me.

These young people live in The UK. They have everything they need to succeed in life. The bottom line is, they just don't want to.

They want everything for free, they want everything to be given to them on a plate. Everyone else works hard to be successful and to get to where they are. Let me tell you about my upbringing.

I don't originate from East Dulwich. I was born and brought up in Bradford. Yorkshire. A very poor area of Yorkshire.

I am the youngest of four children, born from parents who worked every hour they could to support their children. Living in a small 2 & 1/2 bedroomed semi detached house. I shared a room with my two older brothers. Three of us. All of us lived at home till I left for London when I was 21.

Apart from Child Allowance, my parents had no support from the government. At all. No free school clothes, no money, at all. My mum and dad supported the children they brought into this world all by themselves. No help. As it should be.

Yes I was poor, yes I came from a poor community, yes I attended a school bordering on special measures. But I never felt the need to rob, terrorise, or stand on the streets creating uneasiness amongst my community.

I had no money, or places to go. That didn't mean I felt I needed to cause trouble.

These terrorists in our city need help. Psychological help it seems, but definitely not money thrown at them. They don't need special games rooms or clubs. Its all excuses. Just because they come from poorer areas of the city doesn't excuse their behaviour. Throw them in Jail, then the army. They obviously have no sense of pride in themselves.

(I ended up working hard, I got a job at 16 in a kitchen pot wash, I was a waiter, an usher in a theatre, a Commercial Dance teacher, earned my GCSE's, A Levels, a BTEC, then worked to get a Degree in Theatre. I'm now an Actor in a West End Show in London)

I worked for my future, they should do the same.

Mr Poole

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[camberwell70]

The police are not always fantastic, though.

The government have just made it almost impossibe for many of these kids to go to university. A few years ago there was a route in. Now that has been taken away.

To call people you don't know stupid and ignorant is stupid and ignorant in itself.

Jail is not the solution. Look at America.

Soldiers are not paragons of virtue.

[james84]

You dont need to go to university to be successful in life!!!!!

Mr Poole, I think you have it spot on!!!

[Jeremy]

I certainly don't agree with everything the OP says, but I do agree that (relative) poverty is used as an excuse too often, when the bigger issues are poor parenting and complete lack of aspirations.

[duchessofdulwich]

Excellent post

[pez]

I'm on Mr Poole side as well. As if these kids would go to university even if they could afford it. Absolutely and utterly irrelevant.

[MrPoole]

Im 26.

I had to apply for a Career Development Loan to pay 4 my later education. A loan I'm having to pay off for the next five years, crippling me. But I want to succeed in life.

If you want to, you can. It's all excuses. There's so much open to these young people. I am one of these young people.

There are jobs everywhere. If they don't want to work in a factory or mcdonalds.....work harder. I did. Truth is, they don't want to work.

I think the Army teaches respect to those who haven't been brought up to respect.

[camberwell70]

The OP's argument was that he went to university and got an education.

[MrPoole]

My argument is that I wanted a future, and I worked for it.

You don't need to go to university for that.

[camberwell70]

Maybe some of them do work.

[cmck83]

camberwell70 Wrote:

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> The OP's argument was that he went to university

> and got an education.

No, it's that he was poor too, but he worked hard and made something of himself.

Best thing I've read on here in a while, fair play! *claps*

[camberwell70]

'Apart from Child Allowance, my parents had no support from the government. At all. No free school clothes, no money, at all. My mum and dad supported the children they brought into this world all by themselves. No help. As it should be.'

This paragraph appears to contradict itself.

[david_carnell]

Can I point out that according to news reports, early convictions of rioters have included students and teaching assistants.

Not all of these people are unemployed.

[Loz]

camberwell70 Wrote:

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> Maybe some of them do work.

From the reports coming out of the courts, quite a few did. So far a graphic designer, a youth worker, a British Army applicant, and a 14-year-old schoolboy accused of looting a mobile-phone shop have been charged.

Now they'll have a criminal record. That's their lives royally screwed.

[MrPoole]

This saddens me.

The youths I speak of are those that I saw looting my local tesco metro. Vandals.

[rebwec01]

Agree 100% with Mr Poole. Excuses Excuses.

These youths choose crime because they think they can get away with it, pure & simple. They wanted TV's & trainers and saw the perfect opportunity. I hope every last one of them gets caught and are dealth with appropriately.

[maxxi]

Amazing - written without a single trace of irony. Of course it's so simple! If I can do it then by 'eck so can every other work-shy feckless little bugger!

[Cassius]

The OP said "I don't originate from East Dulwich. I was born and brought up in Bradford. Yorkshire. A very poor area of Yorkshire. I am the youngest of four children, born from parents who worked every hour they could to support their children. Living in a small 2 & 1/2 bedroomed semi detached house. I shared a room with my two older brothers. Three of us. All of us lived at home till I left for London when I was 21"

You had two parents who loved you and supported you - thats a hell of a lot more than a lot of the kids involved in the violence. Your parents also worked and instilled in you the concept of working for a living.

You lived in a semi-detached house - not in a council flat or B&B.

You lived at home until you were 21 - you were welcome to be there until you were a young adult.

You have obviously done well for yourself, but life is in many more shades of grey than your post would seem to recognize.

[titch juicy]

maxxi Wrote:

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> Amazing - written without a single trace of irony.

> Of course it's so simple! If I can do it then by

> 'eck so can every other work-shy feckless little

> bugger!

Exactly.

If the solutions were so simple- don't people think they might have been implemented by now?

[richardbach]

tehy should be kiled with hammers an then be made to claen up there mess afterwrds

[mockney piers]

Thread in self-referencing irony amusement.

[Santerme]

Well, I grew up in East Dulwich in the sixties, it was working class, social housing, we lived on Pytchley Road.

Went away to boarding school, I got a scholarship....apart from the sports I loathed it.

Went to Tulse Hill School, started in 1972 ( I think ) 90% of the kids had no desire to be educated and the teaching staff had a miserable existence.

I got A Levels, went to University and spent 23 years as an Army officer.

I run businesses now in the UK and the US.

The ten or twelve people I have kept in touch with from Tulse Hill all worked their socks off.

My friend Martin came from a one parent family, his Dad was a full time drunk, his mother kept four kids going through school and three of them graduated university whilst she worked as a hairdresser.

He owns a software house in California now (and looks after his Mum very well)

I remember us clubbing together to buy a clapped out Ford Escort van in our student days, working as carpet fitters in the summer holidays with my uncle.

Others who were at school, own a building co, run the logistics dept of Game, is a priest, and a microbiologist.

One is a very fine artist.

Oh all of them are black (if that matters)

My brother came from the same background and is a Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the London Fire Brigade.

He went in as a fireman almost thirty years ago, with a couple of O Levels.

I guess hard work, dedication and a great degree of good luck pays off.

[maxxi]

MrPoole Wrote:

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>

> I don't originate from East Dulwich. I was born

> and brought up in Bradford. Yorkshire. A very poor

> area of Yorkshire...

>... I'm now an Actor in a West End

> Show in London)

>

Bloody Hell it's Billy Elliot!

[Fabricio the Guido]

oh we didn't have a pot to piss in when i were a lad so we just did it wherever we liked!

[mockney piers]

piss...luxury...etc...