edresi10 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Lets all do what the Liberals want- lets throw money at the situation because it makes us all feel better. Not that the failed billions that have been spent in the past years is anything to go by. Or in fact shall we just give them all new pairs of trainers, clothes, plasma screen tvs and PS3's as they have been so hard done by by the state- its a load of crap. The majority of these looters arent interested in education or getting decent jobs or moving up in the world, they are just angry young kids who are only interested in doing as little work as possible and still getting paid to do it. This country is seriously screwed up. If you actually listen to them they dont know why they are doing it, they are just sheep who are angry, angry because here you are expected to work if you want the nicer things in life, the luxuries, but these people dont want to do that, its to hard, but its alot easier to hang around in gangs preying on the people that do work hard and just taking what you want. Hell it seems a lot easier than my life. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraferJack Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 "Lets all do what the Liberals want- lets throw money at the situation because it makes us all feel better. "What you mean is "let's all put words in liberals mouths and misrepresent them" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Woffaz Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Could we use them to stag on the gates and do mobile patrols round the perimeter of our gated community.............? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Ok good you can think at least one level into an issue. Now have a go at think one more. Then another and further on etc. Once you?ve mastered that we?ll try a thing called context. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Sorry I thought this was the, ?Petition for patronising cunts to post on the forum? thread. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edresi10 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Go on then put it in context for us all to see Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmck83 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 StraferJack Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Yep - repercussions should be meaningful and> strong - that I agree with> > I'm siding with the long community sentence thing,> as well as the restoration of any groups which> have recentlly had their funding cut to deal with> people like this. primarily because it's more> sucessful AND cheaper than employing more police> and just hoping it doesn't happen againIf that is done though, it has to be done properly. (I would be happy with this done properly plus selling off possessions, I'm adamant about that. If that can be done in Ireland it can be done here, just like rubber bullets!) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraferJack Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I don't recall rubber bullets being all that succesful in Ireland Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Whoever thinks that food vouchers would be a good idea, should have a chat with some aboriginal communities in Australia. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 As for the Original Post / idea...Christ there are some fucking stupid people sharing oxygen with me in this country! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie1997 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 StraferJack Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I don't recall rubber bullets being all that> succesful in IrelandExcuse my ignorance but was that against rioting - or looting? Or does the difference not matter?Are we talking deterrent to it happening in first place or 'solution' once its kicked off? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 My bet for tomorrow's foaming rant: "Why are we spending money on overseas aid, when we could be using it to put bobbies on the beat?". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmck83 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 StraferJack Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I don't recall rubber bullets being all that> succesful in IrelandSorry, I just found the concept that it wasn't acceptable to use watercannons and rubber bullets in London, but they are fine to use NI offensive. (Not on here, in terms of what T May said).But to be fair, most of the kids rioting stopped when they realised the Police in London were gonna get tough. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraferJack Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I don't think the difference between rioting and looting matters tbhas a tactic to control, it did nothing to foster relations in Ireland , plus:"In a study of 90 patients in Northern Ireland, one died, 17 suffered permanent disabilities or deformities and 41 required hospital treatment after being fired upon with rubber bullets.[7]"I think it might have had a positive effect on Monday, but much worse effects down the line. I understand some people will read those numbers and say that's acceptable risk tho'. I'm just not one of them Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostcat Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 So here we have it, scratch the surface of the east dulwich urban idyll and we have a bunch of rabid reactionaries demanding some sort of totalitarian state...I wonder how the current crop of middle class east dulwich offspring will turn out. Their enormous designer buggies block the pavements, they rampage and scream through the cafes and shops to be met only with adoring words and glances from parents who seem unaware of anyone else, let alone imparting respect for others. These children are taught that the world revolves around them and no doubt they will grow up expecting and receiving benefits that many of these 'feral' rioters you talk about will never know. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Is there a surplus of phlegm today or something? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie1997 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 StraferJack Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I don't think the difference between rioting and> looting matters tbh> > as a tactic to control, it did nothing to foster> relations in Ireland , plus:> > "In a study of 90 patients in Northern Ireland,> one died, 17 suffered permanent disabilities or> deformities and 41 required hospital treatment> after being fired upon with rubber bullets.[7]"> > I think it might have had a positive effect on> Monday, but much worse effects down the line. I> understand some people will read those numbers and> say that's acceptable risk tho'. I'm just not one> of themThanks for that, I am just wondering if different tactics are needed. In NI the rioters didn't set fire to their local shops and loot everywhere did they? (Or did they?)I'm guessing that riots are easier to predict there. Just felt awful to see London burning and the police seemingly equipped with nothing more than riot shields. I understand the bit about water cannons not being able to be deployed in this situation but genuinely wondered about the effectiveness of rubber bullets if it had been deployed in this instance at least. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmck83 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 What about paint balls made of indelible ink? (seriously). They hurt and could help identify people, but I can't see how they would kill anyone. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Paintballs... I actually quite like that idea. Aside from marking/identification, they hurt, they're less harmful than baton rounds, and very cheap. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 That is actually rather a good idea. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmck83 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Yay! At least one of my ideas could work, haha! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santerme Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 StraferJack Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I don't recall rubber bullets being all that> succesful in IrelandOh yes they were Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmck83 Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 No, it's decided, paintballs not rubber bullets. Imagine how fun the training would be too, haha! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Apparently you can get 'paintballs' filled with capsaicin solution (pepper spray), which have previously been used in riot control. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Santerme Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> StraferJack Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > I don't recall rubber bullets being all that> > succesful in Ireland> > Oh yes they wereI guess that depends how you define success.Dispel rioters. Tick.Help community relations. Cross. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18933-petition-for-the-convicted-rioters-to-lose-benefits/page/2/#findComment-463666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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