LadyDeliah Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 This is not directly relevant but quite interesting:Total deaths in police custody or otherwise following contact with the police, England & Wales 1990-date Type Metropolitan Police Other forces Total Custody 248 689 937 Pursuit 32 278 310 RTI 19 90 109 Shooting 20 32 52 All deaths 319 1089 1408Source: http://inquest.gn.apc.org/website/statistics/deaths-in-police-custody Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 That data is a bit misrepresentative, and one might say inflammatory?This is a better way of presenting the data which demonstrates a police force making incredible inroads into effectively managing incidents:http://inquest.gn.apc.org/graphs/deaths_in_police_custody.gifIn fact deaths in police custody are lower now than as far back as the records go.This isn't going to become a thread where people make inflamatory claims and others have to set them right is it? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyDeliah Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Death by shooting doesn't seem to have gone down though.http://inquest.gn.apc.org/website/graphs/police_shootings.gif Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyDeliah Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Well it's more up and down. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 No Lady Delilah, that's crazy.You've deliberately chosen shootings where the figures are so small they are meaningless.Those figures are just about the criminals, not about police behvaiour or policy.Why are you deliberately trying to inflame the situation and make misleading claims? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardbach Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> So, because one arsehole policeman got heavy> handed at a protest, and someone lost their life,> ALL police just be thugs.> > I assume then that you believe ALL black boys a> knife carrying thugs, and ALL footy fans like a> fight, and ALL scoucers are thieves?i think it takes a specil type of personn to be a policeman and that poersonn is likly to be a thug Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeban Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Not true at at Richardbach. What a stupid thing to say.I'm not the biggest fan of police myself and I do think some are in way too much for the power but I wouldn't call them thugs at all. There are some decent ones out there. I have no sympathy for a drug dealing gun toting idiot. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 One of my good pals is a police officer, and through him, I've met qite a few. I admit, that for the most part, they're not my kind of people, and some of them are just plain thick. A couple have even said "I'm in it for the action, which made me laugh.However, that doesn't mean that they're all blood thirsty nut jobs who can't wait to gun people down, or beat them to death in a cell.I'm not a big fan of the police, I don't like how they do a lot of things, and I believe that they watch out for each other, and cover things up. HOWEVER, I don't think they're rotten to the core, and I suspect that when the details of this incident come out, they will show that they had little choice but to put this guy down. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Alan Medic Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> SpaghettiSue40 Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Now you are both being silly, but surely there> > must be an instant 'bullet' that isnt fatal.> Any> > scientists or inventors out there?> > In Australia they are working on a rifle that> fires a venomous snake at speed. In tests the> snake will bite the target 99 out of 100 times.> Once incapaciated, which takes a couple of> seconds, the aggressor can be given the antidote> to the snake's poison to ensure death does not> occur. It should be in use soon.> BTW No harm comes to the creatureAh yes the Viper Sniper, often used in conjunction with the Quokka Stoppa, a bazooka-like weapon which fires this small marsupial at locked doors etc. to gain entry. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 richardbach Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Otta Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > So, because one arsehole policeman got heavy> > handed at a protest, and someone lost their> life,> > ALL police just be thugs.> > > > I assume then that you believe ALL black boys a> > knife carrying thugs, and ALL footy fans like a> > fight, and ALL scoucers are thieves?> > > i think it takes a specil type of personn to be a> policeman and that poersonn is likly to be a thugRichard, I'm sure that's not your name as you can't spell. Is it Ratbag? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 LadyDeliah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Well it's more up and down.BUT - the number reduced by 50% from 2009 to 2010!!!!!From 2 to 1.These figures tell us nothing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-461995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Zeban, you either agree with everything or you talk to non beings. The penny will drop. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankito Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Ah right so R is one of them? Is the PM person you mentioned also one of them? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardbach Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 ia have exprience of police acts and let me tell you that the met is not is clean as it is painted white Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankito Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 A bot who has been programmed by someone who can't spell, bless Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardbach Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 im afraid you do not know what i know and never will and i knoiw how they operate Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankito Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 And thank God for that, bot. *sh@t if he is real, I have just made a frenemy for life* Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Try a post about the effects of soft cheeses on rioting youth and see how he/she/it responds - on second thought don't; someone else is bound to find a corollary (Huge stop wiki-ing 'Roquefort Riots and the Brie Brouhaha'). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardbach Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 i am afraid you do not know what you are talking ab out on so mkany issues Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santerme Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 LadyDeliah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Death by shooting doesn't seem to have gone down> though.> > http://inquest.gn.apc.org/website/graphs/police_sh> ootings.gifYou are kidding, right.I live five months of the year in North America those statistics would represent a very small town in Iowa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Don't get me started.Gastric infection, lactose intolerance all serve to make the average North Londoner highly irritable.Despite boycotts of retailers selling non-aged cheese, there's a massive and violent underground network controlling supplies and milking the profits.Profits are so large that they've been known to be worth killing for... It's a powder keg I tell you. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Huguenot Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Don't get me started.> > Gastric infection, lactose intolerance all serve> to make the average North Londoner highly> irritable.> > Despite boycotts of retailers selling non-aged> cheese, there's a massive and violent underground> network controlling supplies and milking the> profits.> Which they presumably make into the highly sought after but illegal 'conflict cheese'. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Do you mind? I'm trying to start a business. I don't need negative publicity at this stage. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Alan Medic Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Do you mind? I'm trying to start a business. I> don't need negative publicity at this stage.What the hell is this post doing in here? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_glover Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 At the end of the day a bad man on London's street has been taken off them after being found in possession of a gun.1) why has he got a gun?2) what's he intending to do with it?Whatever happens, hats off to the police officer that made that decision to fire. If it wasn't for these brave cops people like Gangster Mark Duggan would be walking around the streets causing pain and grief to other families with the gun he carries. Even if he didn't fire first and pointed the gun at the officers they are well within all their rights to pull the trigger and shoot him. "Common Law" - Sect 3 Criminal Law Act You cant expect an armed cop to wait around all day telling an armed and dangerous man to put the gun down while it is pointing at him.At the end of the day the officers have the right to go home to there families etc like the rest of us after doing our job.I feel whatever the police do they are always blamed in one way and never really praised. Incidents were armed criminals are taken of the streets occur daily by our armed police and only in a few cases are shots fired. When was the last one...2008 was it in Chelsea. 3 years with no deaths! Next we will being moaning about our soldiers firing at the Taliban and killing them. It's exactly the same. if they point an Ak47 at you, you will want the soldier to pull the trigger first and kill them before he dies!Also lets not have any more stupid questions about why police didn't shoot him in the leg, arm etc....Grow up.Live by the sword die by sword! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18857-riots-in-tottenham/page/3/#findComment-462128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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