DulwichFox Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 East Dulwich is on the Flight Path to Heathrow.Usually a plane every 2 mins..]Anyone else noticed there are no planes today.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 New rules come into regulation today that flights can only be undertaken during the hours of darkness as the ultraviolet spectrum of sunlight effect on the C02 emissions of aeroplanes has a much greater impact on the environment. Without drastic action like this we will fall well short of emission targets set by the Kyoto protocols.Good luck getting a good nights' sleep tonight is all I can say!!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Mockney, really, is that true? Not an early April Fools joke?I thought night flights were only allowed during certain hours? How can they possibly fit them all in?But if true, hooray, pleasant days sitting in the garden with no plane noise, and earplugs at night :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elloriac Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Sad to say that I've been mostly inside today and missing the glorious sunshine, but I popped out after reading your message, and totally agree. How weird! Can't find anything online about it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only me! Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 probaly means that the wind is unusually from the East, so the planes take off & land the other way round. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 yeah, it's probably the wind blowing right to left ;) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nashoi Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Joking aside, didn't the absence of contrails after 9/11 cause a temperature rise, or am I remembering that the wrong way round? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minkey Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Just heard a plane overhead. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 Only me! Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> probaly means that the wind is unusually from the> East, so the planes take off & land the other way> round.There is virtually no wind today...I have seen planes over ED. with all kinds of wind, rain, thunderstorms...They usually fly directly over me but can deviate slightly.There seems to be something in the air today.. Or should I say, not in the air. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 The Minkey Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Just heard a plane overhead.The planes into City airport seem to be flying.I think they fly at lower altitude.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 yeah, if city is landing west -> east then planes approaching form the east, say the rotterdam or amsterdam klm flights, do a big loop through south east london then fly along the thames and do a sort of stukka dive after flying over canary wharf.It's great fun, and I've actually seen people scream before!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
treehugger Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Very strange, I've seen some lower altitude planes this pm but no big ones. Sky now is clear. Is there something we haven't been told? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephent Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Very simple - planes take off with the wind, so if wind at Heathrow is west->east, planes taking off at Heathrow fly towards London (and veer off well before Dulwich), whilst planes landing approach from Windsor direction.The smaller lower planes are those for City Airport (again, west->east wind means they sometimes fly over Dulwich to land) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 All this talk about wind direction.... As I said earlier.. no wind today... I have lived in my home in ED for 16 years. The only other time there were no planes was during the Icelandic volcanic eruption. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorothy Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I have lived in ED for coming up to 16 years too, but WHAT is the point of this thread Dulwich Fox? I have seen plenty of planes today. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only me! Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 The wind direction over the UK is predominately from the West towards the East. Planes will always want to take off facing into whatever wind there is & then also land facing into the wind. It makes things easier, is safer & uses less fuel to do so.So usually the Planes landing at Heatrow will circle round East & Sout East London before lining up roughly in line with the river & fly due West (into the wind) to land.This is why we routinely have lots of planes over ED, they are dropping out of their holding patterns over Kent & Essex & swinging in to line up with the runway. Flying from East to West.The planes taking off, do the opposite they lift off the runway heading West (into the wind & away from us) climb quickly & then turn off towards wherever they are going, this turn off takes place quite near the airport.So we almost never see them over ED at all. This is all for the when the wind is from the West.IF the wind is reversed, or even a bit vague, it all happens the other way round. The stacks are out over Reading & Oxford (so we are spared) & the planes taking off, that are now coming our way, turn off before they get to us .... with the net result of a much quieter sky over ED.This is only applicable to the traffic from Heatrow. The lower planes are (as stated elsewhere) from London City & we get then whatever the wind direction! As we are under both take off & landing flightpaths. But they are usually smaller & have to be of a quieter design. Also with constraints on how long they can have their engines on full throttle after take off etc. As they are operating out of an urban/residential city location. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share Posted July 29, 2011 Dorothy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I have lived in ED for coming up to 16 years too,> but WHAT is the point of this thread Dulwich Fox?> > > I have seen plenty of planes today.I saw plenty of planes yesterday but they were all City Airport Planes which circle from south eastthen head north from an ED view point.The POINT of this thread is the same as any other thread.For people tp discuss... With 667 reads there is obiously some interest in the Title subject.With Heathrow expansion and the introduction of Night Flights I am sure many people will want to know if flight paths over South London are to remain or be changed..The Planes over ED Head Due West towards Heathrow. after completing any stacking. By the time they are over ED they will be lined up with the runway for their approach. There is always slight adjustments in their position (Due to Prevailing Wind) but these do not makea vast difference viewed from the ground. I.E. you can still see and hear the aircraft.Anyway... Today the planes are over ED with a slight Southernly aspect. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
new mother Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Would the proposed new Boris island airport be bad or good for us, aircraft noise wise? (Obviously a reasonably close hub would be great convenience wise.) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only me! Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Boris' Island would be good for us IF it took business away from Heathrow.With our proximity to Heathrow we would not be anywhere near the new airport's stacks or approaches. So it shouldn't impact us at all.ButIf it is just to provide incremental volume & the traffic to Heathrow is undiminished .... then we will be no better off from a number of planes over ED perspective. Apart from, as you say, being handy & easy to get too, when we wish to use it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianr Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 The BAA tracker site http://webtrak.bksv.com/lhr, which is timelagged for security reasons, is now showing the LHR arrivals and departures at 07:00 yesterday, with everything reassuringly landing from the west. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-458961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 @DulwichFox -- Volcanoes, yes, but also -- inside the last 16 years -- the stillness after 11 September... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-459115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angusvanfrehley Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 If your concerned about the aircraft noise now wait till the Olympics next year. Have a mate who works for Heathrow and the number of extra flights before, during and after the Olympics is going through the roof. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-459642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCSB79 Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 DulwichFox Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> All this talk about wind direction....> > As I said earlier.. no wind today...> No wind here... but conditions at Heathrow will more than likley be different and probably have more of a bearing on the direction the planes land from... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-459664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I think someone said earlier that planes take off with the wind.Although it seems logical, it's actually the other way round - planes always take off and land into the wind.This is because it gives a higher 'airspeed' compared with 'ground speed' for any given velocity.For example a plane going down a runway at 150mph into a 20mph headwind, will have wind going over its wings at 170mph.Higher airspeeds give higher lift - so it means that the plane is airborne at lower ground speeds and needs a shorter stretch of runway.This all means that taking off and landing into the wind is safer!As SCSB79 said - the only thing that counts is the wind at Heathrow, nowhere else.Be interesting to see how the traffic changes during the Olympics. It currently delivers almost 9,200 flights a week. To be honest, with the figures that high nobody's really going to be able to notice an extra 1,000, but 5,000 might be noticeable! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-459698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy1929 Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 A friend of mine visited yesterday and was shocked at the lower height since his last visit. During a peak period he timed the interval between aircraft from 1minute to 1.20 for two hours. He had heard that Southwark are spending ?6 million on developments at Burgess Park. With Boris'Island still way back of the boiler and the third runway at LHR a no no, the thought struck him that the approach height is destined to become lower and Burgess Park will become the new runway. Was he serious? I am beginning to think he may have a point. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18691-east-dulwich-flight-path-no-planes-today/#findComment-461939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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