New Southwark Form to request a CPZ now online

[jimlad48]

For those of you keen to see a CPZ to alleviate parking concerns, you will be delighted to know that Southwark now has a form online to request a CPZ. This helps them map demand to where they may need to put a CPZ in place. All correspondence is recorded, so it is helpful to them to know where demand is strongest.

If you want an end to parking misery, a 60% reduction in traffic on your streets, more parking spaces than you've seen in years to park in, and safer, quieter and better streets to live in, then fill this form in. It could help start making a life changing difference for your local area. https://forms.southwark.gov.uk/ShowForm.asp?fm_fid=822

If anyone is frustrated with parking and wants to know how to get a CPZ campaign going, then please contact me directly - I helped deliver the Toastrack CPZ and am only too pleased to pass on all the tips about how to run an effective campaign to get a democratically voted for CPZ implemented. You are not alone in being frustrated about parking, and all it takes is a few people to make an amazingly positive impact for all. Please PM me if you'd like to chat about how to end parking misery on your roads for good.

[rendelharris]

Blimey, do you like swimming with piranhas as well?

[BillBobDee]

I always keep an eye on these CPZ campaigns and have succesfully managed to get most of them rejected in my local area, it helps that my other half is a barrister of course!

[macutd]

Well done BillBobDee, let me know if you need support. CPZs are just another form of local tax. Soon we will all be paying to park in our own streets if we are not carful!!

[noelewilson]

well done,we dont need this,you can count on me for support

[kford]

The OP must work for APCOA or something as CPZs usually result in fewer spcaces, misery for visitors and tradesmen, unexpected fines when passes expire or fall off the window in summer, and all for the cost of several hundred quid. Also, this will be the death knell for Lordship Lane?s independent shop success.

[worldwiser]

kford, you really think an hour a day of restrictive parking could possibly have the doomsday effect you predict? And typically permits in other areas are under ?100. Every neighbouring area to ED has a CPZ, has it killed Herne Hill or Camberwell? And what makes ED so special to be excluded? This kind of scaremongering would otherwise be termed fake news.

[flocker spotter]

That link is a form for a parking review - in no place does it state you do not want a review to take place - if you fill it in, be sure to stress that you have no parking issues and add comment where needed.

[73jem]

I find the hostility to the idea of a CPZ hard to understand. I lived in an area of Clapham a few years ago and when a CPZ was introduced it made the life of residents so much easier, the benefit of being able to park near my house far outweighed the restrictions. I was, before the scheme was introduced, very apprehensive and wish to reassure those who are so opposed to the idea.

All you usually need is a minimal restricted time, for example two hours in the middle of the day, to transform very much for the better, the parking for residents.

[spider69]

Whilst CPZ'S can be a useful benefit do not forget that Southwark will be charging from 18th April ?49.50 for a book of 10 visitors parking tickets.

If you have visiting family or need to visit ageing parents it is going to be very expensive.

Still tops up Southwark"s coffers. Borough wide a goldmine.

[jimlad48]

Given I live in a CPZ where parking spaces have shot through roof, tradesmen are delighted they can park and people everywhere are praising it, I'm happy to be a convert. There are lots of ED residents fed up of suffering from appalling parking problems, which will only get worse as the Dog Kennel Hill zone enters use in a few weeks time. Suddenly ED will be the last free parking area before central London.

Always delighted to help residents secure the quieter, safer easier life that a CPZ offers and end the misery of parking chaos caused. Its the best thing that happened to our street in the last few years - if you want one, you are not alone in wanting one and help is available to let you get one.

[73jem]

the cost of visitors parking sounds alarming, but of course it can usually be avoided. I try to visit friends and family outside the restricted time, on this basis I have rarely used a visitor's permit.

[apmuso]

Lived near ED station for over 20 years and, in that time, the situation has markedly deteriorated - both in terms of available parking and congestion, which often leads to angry (sometimes violent) confrontation and the occasional damage to vehicles. All the naysayers should come and experience it for a while... Bring on the CPZ.

[Louisa]

I?m with you on this jimlad48. Parking has become horrendous on my street, so much so that many residents now don?t even bother removing the vehicle for important journeys, purely because they risk not being able to find a space close by their home on return. It does literally make you paranoid, you find yourself looking out the window for free spaces because of concern about your vehicle often being parked two or even three streets away. I will happily support a CPZ to prevent day trippers from using the spaces outside my house like a pay and display car park.

Louisa.

[kford]

I loved in a CPZ, in SW London and still had to park two streets away every other day (and it's not our right to park outside our own houses anyway, FFS). And those visitors permits only have a shelf life of three years, IIRC, so you end up binning them. And comparing Herne Hill and Camberwell to ED proves my point. It will solve nothing and I will resist this all the way.

[spider69]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> Given I live in a CPZ where parking spaces have

> shot through roof, tradesmen are delighted they

> can park and people everywhere are praising it,

> I'm happy to be a convert. There are lots of ED

> residents fed up of suffering from appalling

> parking problems, which will only get worse as the

> Dog Kennel Hill zone enters use in a few weeks

> time. Suddenly ED will be the last free parking

> area before central London.

>

> Always delighted to help residents secure the

> quieter, safer easier life that a CPZ offers and

> end the misery of parking chaos caused. Its the

> best thing that happened to our street in the last

> few years - if you want one, you are not alone in

> wanting one and help is available to let you get

> one.

Of course your parking spaces have shot through the roof you managed to get full all day parking which means you can go out and be almost assured that you will have a parking space when you come back.

All we have been told we can have is a 11-1 CPZ.

So if we go out we might have to wait until 11 to see if visitor parking has moved on to free up spaces.

Please advise us how we can get a full all day CPZ, bearing in mind we all voted for it just like you did.

[jimlad48]

You don't need to buy a book of permits and lose them. You can buy online on the day when you know someone is coming, so its easy to arrange. Also note that CPZ size varies by borough. Lewisham, where I used to live had huge CPZs, so parking was often under pressure if there was a specific area that was popular or easy. By contrast Southwark tends to introduce much smaller ones, often only covering a few streets (ours covers about 15 in total), so the number of users is reduced.

Southwark have found statistically there is a 60% drop in traffic post CPZ implementation, and coupled with quieter roads means you rarely have problems parking. I'd look at our street now and realise the only times we experience parking issues is during the weekend when it reverts to free parking.

What people need to realise is that in the past it made perfect sense to not need a CPZ when large swathes of Southwark were free parking. Now you're in a position where ED is the last bit that doesnt have one, so is the only place drivers can go to. Already places like Pellatt road are reporting increases in pressure, and this will only get worse as the Dog Kennel Hill zone displaces into your area. If you don't get a CPZ, you will find the parking problem immesurably worse than it is now.

[kford]

"Already places like Pellatt road are reporting increases in pressure, and this will only get worse as the Dog Kennel Hill zone displaces into your area." So CPZs force residents to demand a CPZ, right? Bonkers.

Also, any CPZ near LL will have to have a shared or separate business permit allowance, which will reduce spaces for residents significantly.

[jimlad48]

kford Wrote:

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> "Already places like Pellatt road are reporting

> increases in pressure, and this will only get

> worse as the Dog Kennel Hill zone displaces into

> your area." So CPZs force residents to demand a

> CPZ, right? Bonkers.

>

> Also, any CPZ near LL will have to have a shared

> or separate business permit allowance, which will

> reduce spaces for residents significantly.

Not really - the spaces are the same and owners will qualify for a small number of permits.

[Earl Aelfheah]

CPZs are an example of lobbing your sh1t over the fence. Please don't support the privatisation of our public spaces, out of territoriality.

[rendelharris]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> CPZs are an example of lobbing your sh1t over the

> fence. Please don't support the privatisation of

> our public spaces, out of territoriality.

The trouble is, round Copleston Road, we've already had everyone else's shit lobbed over our fence - our roads are now packed with parkers from outside the area, particularly large vans, as a result of the recently implemented CPZs on DKH and around the toastrack. So whether we agree with the principles of CPZs or not, we've got a choice between having one or being a carpark for traffic from many miles around.

[Siduhe]

kford Wrote:

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> "Already places like Pellatt road are reporting

> increases in pressure, and this will only get

> worse as the Dog Kennel Hill zone displaces into

> your area." So CPZs force residents to demand a

> CPZ, right? Bonkers.

I've already come to the conclusion that a CPZ across most of ED is inevitable in the medium to long term for the reasons mentioned, and we know from the report that Southwark published that they see CPZs as helpful to their aims of getting people out of their cars and to limit short journeys by car.

We live at the other end of LL, well away from the shops and we've never had anything close to a parking issue until the last 18 months. It's still not bad but it is busy and it seems that there are increasing numbers of commercial vehicles that belong to residents but are being parked up from other parts of ED/surrounds that do have a CPZ. There is one guy who parks a white van, a large red truck and a waste vehicle on our street (which is a bus route) who lives and runs his building and clearance business out of his home somewhere near DKH/Kings for example.

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's not inevitable. People could refuse to 'play the game' and stop pushing problems on to the next person. It has to end somewhere.

If Southwark were in anyway serious about getting people out of cars, they would be lobbying a lot harder for transport improvements.

[Loz]

CPZs only currently work as they push the people who are too poor/cheap to buy a permit out of the zone. When everywhere close by is a CPZ, those cars will return and you'll be paying good money for the same old problem.

And by then, you'll be stuck with it and you'll be paying ?100+ a year to *not* be able to park your car anywhere close.

[jimlad48]

Loz Wrote:

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> CPZs only currently work as they push the people

> who are too poor/cheap to buy a permit out of the

> zone. When everywhere close by is a CPZ, those

> cars will return and you'll be paying good money

> for the same old problem.

>

> And by then, you'll be stuck with it and you'll be

> paying ?100+ a year to *not* be able to park your

> car anywhere close.

Really? Where is your evidence base for this assertion? What proof do you have of it? Why if this is true have Southwark repeatedly found that CPZ implementation leads to a 60% fall in parking on streets with a CPZ?

?125 is not an enormous amount of money, and if you want to run a car in London you already require sufficient income to cover the runnning costs and insurance. If ?125 (barely ?2.50 per week) is too much for you, then why do you have a car full stop?

The 'too poor' myth is just that - I've not seen any areas where the imposition of a CPZ leads to a flood of new cars. Its another one of those tired myths peddled by opponents of a CPZ which is baseless and not supported by hard evidence.