*Bob* Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Give it time. Most cocaine is probably ethical these days anyway - on account of not actually having any cocaine in it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Strychnine is underrated!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 *Bob* Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> But I hardly know anyone who doesn't do cocaine. Interesting. I don't know anyone who does it and isn't a bit of a wanker. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Is wanker really ruder than arsehole? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 *Bob* Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Give it time. > > Most cocaine is probably ethical these days anyway - on account of not actually having any cocaine in it.Ha ha, so very true! "Pub grub" seems to be the common term these days. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 "Pub grub" classic! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Interesting. I don't know anyone who does it and> isn't a bit of a @#$%&.You can substitute 'turns down a line' for 'does cocaine' if you must insist on being knuckleheadedly incapable of distinguishing between different sorts and levels of use. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 In all fairness bob it's probably a bit more prevalent in some circles than others.And some of those circles pretty much everyone is a nitwit regardless of their powderly mores ;-/ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Fuck pat?, there definitely seems to be a market for an ethically sourced, nasally administered, stimulant. I?d buy it. If I had the time and energy to indulge in such things. Which I don?t. I barely have time to have an espresso and act mildly superior towards a grubby teddy bear that sings Oh Susannah if you squeeze its belly. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 ....and raisins...are your favourite foood...and I'll call it mocklet....just like yooooooooufeckin teddy bears, earworm mongerers the lot of them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJKillaQueen Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Surely the point about foie gras is that there is no humane way to produce it. That's why it's production is banned here and elsewhere. So I think there is merit it arguing that it's consumption be banned too (because that is the mark of a civilised society). No person in their right mind would force feed a child in that way for the same outcome...so I really can not understand why anyone would condone the treatment of an animal in that way either. Chicken, beef, eggs etc can be produced from animals reared in a humane way, and there is constant pressure to improve practises in those areas.The other factor in all this of course is the price of food. The continued pressure to keep costs down is after all what really drives the poor farming of most animals - but not in the case of foie gras which fetches a premium price.In America we are seeing the first 'super' industrialised dairy farms...where cows (never seeing a field) are kept on a conveyer belt form shed to milking. The mind boggles. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 So it?s ok to harvest a child?s liver just as long as you haven?t force fed it? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 At the risk of taking this nonsense seriously, I?ve seen cattle being driven into an abattoir. If you think it is in any way humane you are mistaken. I?m not convinced force feeding a goose is comparatively cruel. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJKillaQueen Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Force feeding a goose every day till it's liver practically bursts, is not excessively cruel? (or have I misunderstood?)There's a big difference between an animal being driven to an abbatoir (a one off event) and an animal being cruelly treated every day of it's miserable life and for what? It's not like the world needs foie gras.Just to say btw that I'm not belittling the experience of an animal en route to slaughter, or arguing it is as humane as it could be. Just that it's not comparable as justification for the production of foie gras. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie1997 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Mick Mac made that point about the differences quite succinctly a few pages ago. Mick Mac Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Loz. There is a big difference between how an> animal is killed, which is necessary for food> production, and an animal made to suffer every day> in pursuit of a better taste. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Whatever it does to a goose it can't be as painfull as trawling through 5 pages of this guff would have been. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
binary_star Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 katie1997 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Mick Mac made that point about the differences> quite succinctly a few pages ago. > ....and yet people are still making the comparison between an animal suffering through slaughter vs. suffering it's entire life.The death of an animal is never going to be pleasant and as a meat eater you have to accept that even if you can't justify it. Condemning an animal to a life of the brutality and suffering required for foie gras production isn't on IMO. OVER feeding is one thing, but FORCE feeding...don't think that can be carried out humanely. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie1997 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Brendan Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Whatever it does to a goose it can't be as> painfull as trawling through 5 pages of this guff> would have been.Oh piffle Brendan. On 'serious' threads, the guff usually begins about 5 pages in whereas on 'silly' threads its often the opposite. And binarystar, I couldn't agree more iwith what you've just said. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Micklewright Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 Hey Guys (or would you prefer: Hello, Hallo, Halo, Kalispera, Bonjour, Guten Tag, Heya, Whats up? Dear All)South London Press will be kindly running this Foie Gras story tomorrow - be sure to buy a copy, it'll come with a wonderful picture of me outside Blue Brick Cafe.I do have the support of over 120 people on my Dulwich Vegan and Veggie mailing list, although thats not the point, its within my right to call a manager of restaurants and chat to them about their stock. They decide their stock lists.However, as Davids notes - most pro-meat / foie gras people won't go to the trouble of organising a local group, meetings, website, facebook, twitter, contact local paper and fellow organisations to campaign for foie gras or other meat products.Im not against local businesses, Im against animal abuse where ever it crops up. (plant pun unintended!)ThanksThomas Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 There's a big difference between an animal being driven to an abbatoir (a one off event) and an animal being cruelly treated every day of it's miserable life and for what? It's not like the world needs foie gras. Agreed.At the end of the day, if you want to eat meat, you have to accept that a nasty deed is required, be it a bullet to the head, a stun gun, a slit throat,a piano from the 5th story. The animal has to die.It's the torturesque aspect of FG production which sets it aside IMO. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec John Moore Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 @TM "Im not against local businesses, Im against animal abuse where ever it crops up. (plant pun unintended!)"Actually Thomas that's more of a pun than you seem to have realised. A goose's crop is part of its digestive system adjacent to the very gullet down which feed is forced in the process of producing foie gras.Thanks for starting this thread.Alec Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Micklewright Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 Ha ha superb! Thanks Alec, very interesting discussion! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Thomas Micklewright Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> South London Press will be kindly running this> Foie Gras story tomorrow - be sure to buy a copy,> it'll come with a wonderful picture of me outside> Blue Brick Cafe.I believe SLP have been known to frequent the EDF - hopefully they will depict both sides of the story.Did the Blue Brick cafe ever serve fois gras? Next you'll be telling us you've convinced Dulwich Hardware and the local hairdressers to stop serving it.> I do have the support of over 120 people on my Dulwich Vegan and Veggie mailing list, although> thats not the point, its within my right to call a manager of restaurants and chat to them about> their stock. They decide their stock lists.You didn't answer my question, Thomas. Do you threaten to step up protest if a manager does not accede to your demands (well, at least in the places that really, actually serve it)? Maybe the SLP will investigate your methods and not just do a puff piece. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Isn't the blue brick now a veggie cafe? That would make more sense. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I would just like to make it clear that I do not nor have I ever served foie gras. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18512-your-views-on-foie-gras/page/6/#findComment-456541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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