Your views on Foie Gras

[*Bob*]

Give it time.

Most cocaine is probably ethical these days anyway - on account of not actually having any cocaine in it.

[mockney piers]

Strychnine is underrated!!

[Jeremy]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> But I hardly know anyone who doesn't do cocaine.

Interesting. I don't know anyone who does it and isn't a bit of a wanker.

[Jeremy]

Is wanker really ruder than arsehole?

[Otta]

*Bob* Wrote:

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> Give it time.

>

> Most cocaine is probably ethical these days anyway - on account of not actually having any cocaine in it.

Ha ha, so very true! "Pub grub" seems to be the common term these days.

[mockney piers]

"Pub grub" classic!

[*Bob*]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Interesting. I don't know anyone who does it and

> isn't a bit of a @#$%&.

You can substitute 'turns down a line' for 'does cocaine' if you must insist on being knuckleheadedly incapable of distinguishing between different sorts and levels of use.

[mockney piers]

In all fairness bob it's probably a bit more prevalent in some circles than others.

And some of those circles pretty much everyone is a nitwit regardless of their powderly mores ;-/

[Brendan]

Fuck pat?, there definitely seems to be a market for an ethically sourced, nasally administered, stimulant.

I?d buy it. If I had the time and energy to indulge in such things. Which I don?t.

I barely have time to have an espresso and act mildly superior towards a grubby teddy bear that sings Oh Susannah if you squeeze its belly.

[mockney piers]

....and raisins...are your favourite foood...and I'll call it mocklet....just like yoooooooou

feckin teddy bears, earworm mongerers the lot of them.

[DJKillaQueen]

Surely the point about foie gras is that there is no humane way to produce it. That's why it's production is banned here and elsewhere. So I think there is merit it arguing that it's consumption be banned too (because that is the mark of a civilised society). No person in their right mind would force feed a child in that way for the same outcome...so I really can not understand why anyone would condone the treatment of an animal in that way either.

Chicken, beef, eggs etc can be produced from animals reared in a humane way, and there is constant pressure to improve practises in those areas.

The other factor in all this of course is the price of food. The continued pressure to keep costs down is after all what really drives the poor farming of most animals - but not in the case of foie gras which fetches a premium price.

In America we are seeing the first 'super' industrialised dairy farms...where cows (never seeing a field) are kept on a conveyer belt form shed to milking. The mind boggles.

[Brendan]

So it?s ok to harvest a child?s liver just as long as you haven?t force fed it?

[Brendan]

At the risk of taking this nonsense seriously, I?ve seen cattle being driven into an abattoir. If you think it is in any way humane you are mistaken. I?m not convinced force feeding a goose is comparatively cruel.

[DJKillaQueen]

Force feeding a goose every day till it's liver practically bursts, is not excessively cruel? (or have I misunderstood?)

There's a big difference between an animal being driven to an abbatoir (a one off event) and an animal being cruelly treated every day of it's miserable life and for what? It's not like the world needs foie gras.

Just to say btw that I'm not belittling the experience of an animal en route to slaughter, or arguing it is as humane as it could be. Just that it's not comparable as justification for the production of foie gras.

[katie1997]

Mick Mac made that point about the differences quite succinctly a few pages ago.

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Loz. There is a big difference between how an

> animal is killed, which is necessary for food

> production, and an animal made to suffer every day

> in pursuit of a better taste.

[Brendan]

Whatever it does to a goose it can't be as painfull as trawling through 5 pages of this guff would have been.

[binary_star]

katie1997 Wrote:

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> Mick Mac made that point about the differences

> quite succinctly a few pages ago.

>

....and yet people are still making the comparison between an animal suffering through slaughter vs. suffering it's entire life.

The death of an animal is never going to be pleasant and as a meat eater you have to accept that even if you can't justify it. Condemning an animal to a life of the brutality and suffering required for foie gras production isn't on IMO. OVER feeding is one thing, but FORCE feeding...don't think that can be carried out humanely.

[katie1997]

Brendan Wrote:

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> Whatever it does to a goose it can't be as

> painfull as trawling through 5 pages of this guff

> would have been.

Oh piffle Brendan. On 'serious' threads, the guff usually begins about 5 pages in whereas on 'silly' threads its often the opposite.

And binarystar, I couldn't agree more iwith what you've just said.

[Thomas Micklewright]

Hey Guys (or would you prefer: Hello, Hallo, Halo, Kalispera, Bonjour, Guten Tag, Heya, Whats up? Dear All)

South London Press will be kindly running this Foie Gras story tomorrow - be sure to buy a copy, it'll come with a wonderful picture of me outside Blue Brick Cafe.

I do have the support of over 120 people on my Dulwich Vegan and Veggie mailing list, although thats not the point, its within my right to call a manager of restaurants and chat to them about their stock. They decide their stock lists.

However, as Davids notes - most pro-meat / foie gras people won't go to the trouble of organising a local group, meetings, website, facebook, twitter, contact local paper and fellow organisations to campaign for foie gras or other meat products.

Im not against local businesses, Im against animal abuse where ever it crops up. (plant pun unintended!)

Thanks

Thomas

[Otta]

There's a big difference between an animal being driven to an abbatoir (a one off event) and an animal being cruelly treated every day of it's miserable life and for what? It's not like the world needs foie gras.

Agreed.

At the end of the day, if you want to eat meat, you have to accept that a nasty deed is required, be it a bullet to the head, a stun gun, a slit throat,a piano from the 5th story. The animal has to die.

It's the torturesque aspect of FG production which sets it aside IMO.

[Alec John Moore]

@TM "Im not against local businesses, Im against animal abuse where ever it crops up. (plant pun unintended!)"

Actually Thomas that's more of a pun than you seem to have realised. A goose's crop is part of its digestive system adjacent to the very gullet down which feed is forced in the process of producing foie gras.

Thanks for starting this thread.

Alec

[Thomas Micklewright]

Ha ha superb! Thanks Alec, very interesting discussion!

[Loz]

Thomas Micklewright Wrote:

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> South London Press will be kindly running this

> Foie Gras story tomorrow - be sure to buy a copy,

> it'll come with a wonderful picture of me outside

> Blue Brick Cafe.

I believe SLP have been known to frequent the EDF - hopefully they will depict both sides of the story.

Did the Blue Brick cafe ever serve fois gras? Next you'll be telling us you've convinced Dulwich Hardware and the local hairdressers to stop serving it.

> I do have the support of over 120 people on my Dulwich Vegan and Veggie mailing list, although

> thats not the point, its within my right to call a manager of restaurants and chat to them about

> their stock. They decide their stock lists.

You didn't answer my question, Thomas. Do you threaten to step up protest if a manager does not accede to your demands (well, at least in the places that really, actually serve it)? Maybe the SLP will investigate your methods and not just do a puff piece.

[Otta]

Isn't the blue brick now a veggie cafe? That would make more sense.

[Brendan]

I would just like to make it clear that I do not nor have I ever served foie gras.