Your views on Foie Gras

[aquarius moon]

Loz Wrote:

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> Oh dear, Moos, now even the veggies are in

> trouble. Looks like it's only the vegans who can

> say all their food is 'cruelty free'.

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> So no biscuits or cakes for the veggies. Unless

> they are a bunch of hypocrites.

I bet that post has made your day & given you the best xmas present ever?

[Parkdrive]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> *Bob*

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> Always admired Bob. But where I think he got

> something completely wrong here (and unfortunately

> many people agreed with him) was in suggesting

> that the objection to fois gras was somehow linked

> to the class or wealth of the fois gras consumer.

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> Hence the fois gras supporters allow the thread to

> deviate into discussions on battery hens and fox

> hunting.

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> It's not that at all. It's a case of those eating

> fois gras being responsible for keeping alive an

> industry that knowingly and purposefully inflicts

> pain on an animal daily, with the aim of making

> that animal ill enough for you to enjoy its

> diseased liver.

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> For that, you should all be ashamed. (There is no

> get out clause available by reference to other

> animal mistreatments.)

Well said. By the way did you know that I'm a Guardian reader? No nor did I!!! I love the way Loz jumps to huge sweeping generalisations. Pompous arse.

[aquarius moon]

I don't read the Guardian either!

[Loz]

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> Well said. By the way did you know that I'm a Guardian reader? No nor did I!!! I love the way

> Loz jumps to huge sweeping generalisations.

> Pompous arse.

Or I just know how to press your buttons...

[Loz]

aquarius moon Wrote:

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> > Oh dear, Moos, now even the veggies are in trouble. Looks like it's only the vegans who can

> > say all their food is 'cruelty free'.

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> > So no biscuits or cakes for the veggies. Unless they are a bunch of hypocrites.

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> I bet that post has made your day & given you the best xmas present ever?

Quite possibly, yes! The battery chicken argument was useful to throw open the wider hypocrisy (and reverse snobbery) of the non-veggies that popped up. But to show the veggies that their food is also mired in animal cruelty on a much bigger scale that fois gras could ever reach was indeed a pretty fine Christmas bonus. Any complaints about foie gras from them now would just be hypocritical.

Looks like the veggies can't have their cake and eat it too!

[aquarius moon]

Your post proves how truly ignorant you are.

I despair.

Bowing out of this thread now because it's making me sick.

[Parkdrive]

Loz Wrote:

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> > Well said. By the way did you know that I'm a

> Guardian reader? No nor did I!!! I love the way

> > Loz jumps to huge sweeping generalisations.

> > Pompous arse.

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> Or I just know how to press your buttons..

Nah, you're just a pompous arse.

[Loz]

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> Nah, you're just a pompous arse.

Well I suppose I would prefer to be that rather than being a self-righteous, sanctimonious hypocrite like you!

[Loz]

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> Your post proves how truly ignorant you are.

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> I despair.

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> Bowing out of this thread now because it's making me sick.

Well, I suppose that is one way of saying you have no counter argument. I didn't really think you would.

[haruki]

This is a bit of an odd thread even for the EDF, and I've taken the bait, but never mind:

It's no secret that major food manufacturers are still using battery eggs, and for anyone who actually cares it's pretty easy to avoid them.

Co-op, M&S and Waitrose only use free range eggs in their own brand ranges. Other supermarkets/manufacturers have made commitments to cut back their use or phase them out altogether (e.g. Hellmans switched to free range recently).

So I regularly enjoy a wide range of cake thanks very much!

[Loz]

Well, Haruki you can hold your head high. I suspect not many can, though.

[Parkdrive]

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And how do you I'm a hypocrite, you pompous arse. How do you what I eat? Your view point suggests that, regardless of whatever suffering is visited on the creature and the way its reared, provided it tastes good you don't give a fcuk, which makes you a nasty pompous excuse for a human being. Will you being baby seal clubbed to death to your diet, afterr all according to your rationale (or marked lack of it)it doesn't matter how they are treated as long as they taste goodn happy days. Despicable.

[Huguenot]

I think Loz was suggesting that if you were refusing to eat Foie Gras because of the suffering of ducks and geese, that you'd need to follow that principle through to all the other animals in our food chain.

If you didn't do that, then you would be simply picking and choosing what suffering you thought was okay according to your own favored foods - a practice that would undoubtedly be hypocritical.

Far from saying that it didn't matter how animals were treated before consumption (which is what you're accusing him of), he was pointing out that Foie Gras was simply one item an extremely extensive list when it came to 'cruelty'.

It's worth pointing out that when you get independent scientists involved in an appraisal of the treatment of ducks and geese in the creation of Foie Gras, that they can find NO evidence that this process is any MORE abusive than any of the other standard processes in breeding fowl for consumption.

Before anyone does their nut over that comment, please read it again: scientists didn't say force feeding wasn't cruel, that just said that they couldn't find it was any more cruel than the rest of the insults we dish out to poultry.

[Loz]

[zapped because Hugo said it better]

[Parkdrive]

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Or more correctly because you don't possess an original, rational argument of your own. Proof positive, as if it was needed, that you are and arse an much much worse.

[Loz]

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Really? Is that the best you can do to avoid answering Hugo's points?

[Otta]

PD, just walk away from this thread, it makes you angry and they have openly said they are trying to wind you up.

Not worth spoiling your Christmas over!

[Santerme]

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> > a Guardian reader? No nor did I!!! I love the

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> > > > > Loz jumps to huge sweeping

> generalisations.

> > > > > Pompous arse.

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> > > Nah, you're just a pompous arse.

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> > Well I suppose I would prefer to be that rather

> > than being a self-righteous, sanctimonious

> > hypocrite like you!

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> And how do you I'm a hypocrite, you pompous arse.

> How do you what I eat? Your view point suggests

> that, regardless of whatever suffering is visited

> on the creature and the way its reared, provided

> it tastes good you don't give a fcuk, which makes

> you a nasty pompous excuse for a human being. Will

> you being baby seal clubbed to death to your diet,

> afterr all according to your rationale (or marked

> lack of it)it doesn't matter how they are treated

> as long as they taste goodn happy days.

> Despicable.

Dear oh dear!!

[Parkdrive]

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> PD, just walk away from this thread, it makes you

> angry and they have openly said they are trying to

> wind you up.

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> Not worth spoiling your Christmas over!

Thanks for your concern, but it takes a lot more than the ramblings of an odious EDF poster to spoil my day. People with such disgusting tastes need to be told they're wrong as they can't see it themselves. As for being wound up by Loz, I'm pretty sure his blood pressure goes through the roof every time I tweak his pompous nose.

[KidKruger]

But it's just a slagging match now - right ?

[red devil]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> But it's just a slagging match now - right ?

Quelle surprise...

[Parkdrive]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> But it's just a slagging match now - right ?

Not at all, he has his disgusting views and my view is opposite to his.

[Voyageur]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> But it's just a slagging match now - right ?

Absolutely - who can be more abusive to whom I guess. Topic matter seems irelevant.

[Parkdrive]

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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, regardless of how wide of the mark you may be.

[Santerme]

I love the way you let people know what they are and are not entitled to do, eat, think, et al!

Just saying.