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I have chosen lower returns from ethical investments, which I would argue considerably affects my lifestyle. I have chosen not to work for unethical people who would pay me a shit load more than I'm earning now, which quite definitely affects my lifestyle. My first concern will always be people over animals, which is why the pony sanctuary that recently DM-ed me wasted their cash. People I won't compromise on, animals I occasionally do. I'm happy with that, it fits my principles.


Rosie that's almost parody of liberal lite rubbish. So you don;'t invest in arms manufacturers or work for them - the sacrifice, I weep. But thanks to such self sacrificing virtousness you can do what you want elswhere...


Elsewhere on this page I try not to think about it and it's all the slaughtering of animals anyway


Bottom line - exposed false principles for a revolting abuse of animals.


I'm not angry, unlike LadyD it's not a shock to me the smug hypocracy of the metroplitan middleclasses - it has has amused/bemmused me for years now


Stop making excuses your over indulged stomachs hold more importance to you than ethics

- ironically, given the subject matter, you don't like been force fed this inconvenient truth, oooh no.

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> Rosie that's almost parody of liberal lite

> rubbish. So you don;'t invest in arms

> manufacturers or work for them - the sacrifice, I

> weep. But thanks to such self sacrificing

> virtousness you can do what you want elswhere...


No, fucknuts. Occasionally eating foie gras is me just doing what I want is it? That's what you meant right? Not something to do with your weird racism comment earlier, like what I really want is to paint swastikas on synagogue doors, or post No Blacks No Irish No Dogs on the bus shelter at the end of my road? I can see how my penchant for tournedos rossini would help you make that leap.


Thing is, mostly, I do do what I want. Not because I think I've earned it by not being able to afford a holiday, but because I'm a grown up and apart from occasionally wanting to cause extreme violence to be visited upon a person, the things I want to do fit in with my principles.


I know, it's weird, isn't it.

????, I can't agree with you either. Occasional slippage from any moral standpoint is surely an inevitable part of being human, no-one is claiming sainthood, are they? And admitting it is not hypocrisy, it's honesty.


Specifically with regard to RosieH, I think she has a right to be angry with what you wrote.

Ach, I'm not angry. While what he said was pretty offensive, I'm assuming it's just bored Quids posturing as he is wont to do with his Sword of Truth and Mirror of Right-minded Thinking, ready to puncture the naive sense of being a basically decent human being that I and other woolly-thinking liberals share.


Otherwise, how on earth could he suggest that giving up foie gras would be a genuine sacrifice (whereas giving up a steady income wouldn't)? Unless of course Quids is just a great big Times reading posho, for whom giving up the droit du seigneur was a crime against his fundamental human rights.

If you wish to eat fois gras, but are worried about your principles, try this handy get out clause:


1) By the time you arrived in the restaurant, the animal is dead and the liver removed and prepared

2) If you don't eat it, it'll only get thrown away. And that would be a terrible waste.


I only read the Guardian because I disagree with most of it, anyway.

'Liberals' in thinking they've got the monopoly on being 'decent human being' shocker.


Foie Gras is a revolting product - I'd have though people with ethics and decency might recognise this and maybe strike this food delicacy of their list, huge sacrifice that that would obviously be, there's plenty of other gorgeous far more ethical food products. But oh no, apparently that's too much of a sacrifice for such fundamentally decent and ethical people....

Likewise, my hypocritical liberal-pinko values allow me to take a back seat and see Quids get scolded. Bravo that woman.


Rosie, if any those kids you're knitting pubic hair ponchos for are peckish, send them over to mine - I'm having ortolan for tea and have spares (although it might just be sparrow).

Quids, you've played a wrongun here. I actually felt you had/have a point about people in general (liberal or not) putting aside their own morals at times, when it suits their lifestyle choices more.


However, when you start getting a bit nasty towards one particular poster, who was actually being brave and honest enough to enter conversation with you, well then, whatever point you may have had, gets forgotten, and everyone just thinks "typical Quids trying to get a rise out of the liberals". Then they all have a jolly good laugh about it.


And to be fair, their posts were funny.

I'm now a 'guerrilla activist' and a 'terrorist', striking fear into the hearts and minds of dulwichians! All from the comfort of my front room. Who thought such mayhem could be possible from a few lines about maybe improving animal welfare in dulwich?

I don't think you're either TM, I think you arbitrarily and unilaterally tried to prevent other people accessing products that you disapprove of.


I think if someone did that to you, you'd be outraged.


You didn't seek to engage your audience or seek social agreement, you acted completely acccording to your own interests.


You see yourself as a hero, and I think there is little that can be done to persuade you that actually your behaviour is narcissistic, antisocial, egotistical, and abuses the trust that others put in you.


I prefer megalomaniac to terrorist or guerilla.

Ned Seagoon - 'I'll have the foie gras'.


Major Denis Bloodnok - 'What foie'?


Ned - 'Because it's on the menu'.


Bloodnok - 'I knew we shouldn't have come here, it attracts the messiest diners in town'.


Hercules Grytpype-Thynne - 'A quote from an actual Goon Show or an invention by that dastard HonaloochieB? I leave it to you good EDHeifers to decide'.


Bluebottle - 'Does anyone have a use for an underused Boy Scout'?


Grytpype-Thynne - 'Back in the kitbag, my lad'.

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