Extension to ultra-low emission zone to north/south circulars

[Penguin68]

It is, of course, ironic that currently there is a national shortage of CO2 leading to some pubs being unable to serve beer on tap, shortages of carbonated drinks etc.

[rendelharris]

All the more reason to drink real ale!

[wulfhound]

Not always are these realistic options. Some of those short journeys may be dangerous for a woman alone on a winter night.

Am I alone in finding it abhorrent that we, collectively as a society, think that the solution to implied danger for women alone in public (and men, at least those not big/strong enough to fight off any attacker) is, essentially, a full metal jacket of armour? It's not the journey that's dangerous, it's the scumbags who attack people.

In other cases the pedestrian route might be even longer than those 2 kms. Not everyone wants to cycle, especially in a rainy winter. And, quite understandably, not everyone wants to add 20-30 minutes each way to an already long commute!

Not everyone wants to breathe filthy polluted air, either. For that reason, I'm fine with the authorities seeking to make life difficult and expensive for those who'd contribute further to that problem purely for a little time saving and comfort.

A game changer is if you have kids Public transport in SE London sucks. Many stations are not accessible. If, on an infrequent bus route like the 37,all the buggy spaces are occupied, it may take you almost an hour to get from Dulwich to Brixton (been there, done that).

We carried the kids in slings and rucksacks when they were small and needed to sleep a lot, and when they were bigger but still needed a buggy, we'd fold it down and sit them on a lap. There is an awkward age around 12-18 months when they're getting big for the sling, still need more than one nap per day, and need help getting in/out of a buggy, but it's over in the blink of an eye really. Once they're on a one-nap schedule and can climb in/out by themselves, it's fine. Granted, somewhat harder for people with twins or with babies very close in age.

If you have to visit people in different areas (eg coffee in Telegraph Hill then late lunch in Putney) and have kids then public transport becomes a nightmare.?

That sounds bad enough in a car t.b.h., but simple enough if you're not too far from the Overground. Nunhead to Denmark Hill, across to Clapham Junction and hop on the bus. Assuming, at least, that you're aiming for the relatively central bits of each. The southern side of Putney up by Wimbledon Common is a bit of a mare on public transport - a long walk up a hill from the main bus/rail connections.

Oh, and of course you cannot carry your own car seat in a Uber. I mean, you could, but what do you do with it once you reach your destination?

For buggy aged kids, we mostly used black cabs for that exact reason. Well, mostly public transport but the occasional black cab when it wouldn't work. It certainly focuses the mind.. half an hour longer on the bus because the usual route is out of action, or ?30 for a taxi. Whereas running a car I'd be spending that ?30 every weekend just having it sat there, without even thinking about it. For older kids there are inflatable booster seats that fold down to the size of a water bottle. I don't know what their safety record is, I'd maybe want something a bit more robust for long / motorway journeys, but for a short ride in a minicab they seem fine.

[McMurphy]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/sep/18/air-pollution-causes-jump-in-dementia-risk-study-suggests

More reasons why the ULEZ extension is an excellent move, for those who base their opinions on evidence

[natty01295]

Motorcycles and scooter riders - it's unfair as long it's (4 stroke) it's OK

That's why I got a 4 Stroke - It's Much better Than those Smelly 2 Strokes

Environmentally Cleaner

Better fuel economy

[natty01295]

Bikers Scooter riders

RIOT!!!!!

PROTEST!!!!!

[uncleglen]

hopefully it will offset the extra pollution from people illegally burning logs....

[natty01295]

Bikers / Motorcyclists And scooter riders must Fight against ULEZ

https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/bikers-must-fight-ulez-exemption/

BIKERS MUST FIGHT FOR ULEZ EXEMPTION

[Willard]

This is nuts. Didn't realise this is in the pipe line at all for motorbikes. I have 2005 125cc Suzuki and will now have to sell it and replace it.

[spider69]

The ILEZ should only apply to the current congestion zones.

All within the North and South circular roads is madness.

Ill thought out.

[El Presidente]

This is one of the most absurd public policy overreactions i've ever seen. Yet it is passing by almost completely unnoticed.

[spider69]

Much the same as the original survey. Never knew it was taking place. Certainly never got any information sent.

[micromacromonkey]

Had a good laugh at the reasons against in that biker article. Contradictory nonsense. If you have a dirty polluting motorbike, replace it with a clean one, or perhaps ditch the engine completely and pedal.

I live in the ULEZ zone and wholeheartedly support it, even though I'll probably need to sell my diesel car.

[Pugwash]

A friend who had a diesel camper van decided to sell recently as was worried that if he waited he would not get a decent price for it. Being pensioners it was their only 'extravagance' and used to have motoring holidays around UK.

[Charles Notice]

How many other pensioners will be in the same situation regarding their only "extravagance" due to this ill thought out scheme.

Many will not be able to afford to get a new extravagance.

Inner circular roads should be exempt only the inner city congestion zone should be involved.

[wulfhound]

A friend who had a diesel camper van decided to sell recently as was worried that if he waited he would not get a decent price for it. Being pensioners it was their only 'extravagance' and used to have motoring holidays around UK.

So they'd pay the charge once on the way out of London on holiday and once on the way back in? Hardly going to break the bank, at least for someone who can afford that kind of a trip in the first place.

[natty01295]

Riot!!!!

Protest!!!

Bikers fight against ULEZ

[VerryBerry]

Sick of motorists being battered by poor government policy. Best way to reduce emissions would be to put pressure on the industry to make cleaner cars. We saw their response was to fiddle the emissions. This proposal will only serve ad a vanity trick for someone whilst greatly impacting on others. May car would not be liable to the charge but I don't buy into these overly simplistic rhetoric on emissions. We need to push back on these lazy policies and demand effective changes. We still have poor rail, bus and tube connectivity in this area. Ever tried to get from Brenchley gardens to walworth road? Done get me started on the increase to the plastic bag charges. Fake platitudes to be seen to be environmentally friendly.

[Sally Eva]

Brenchley gardens to walworth road?

63 to Kings on the Rye traffic lights and then 484 (0ver Dog Kennel Hill) or 12 through camberwell green (and up the Walworth Road).

https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ It's by no means perfect but a good place to start. 484 probably the quicker option and probably as fast as a car.

If you are at the other end of Brenchley Gardens then the 484 goes from outside St Anthony's church on Inverton Road.

If you want the E&C end of Walworth Road then the 12 is the better bet because it goes all the way up. so from that end take the 484 to Camberwell Green and then take half a dozen buses which go up the Walworth Road.

[rendelharris]

VerryBerry Wrote:

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> I don't buy into these overly

> simplistic rhetoric on emissions

I'm sure the 10,000 people who die prematurely in London each year, and the hundreds of thousands of children growing up with asthma, irreversible lung damage and cognitive impairment, all as a result of pollution, 50% of which comes from motor vehicles, would rather not buy into it too. But the only way they can stop doing that is by stopping breathing.

[James Barber]

The cost of motoring is below the cost of living increases as per the Royal Automobile Club -https://www.racfoundation.org/data/cost-of-motoring-index

So in real terms it has become cheaper to own and drive a motor vehicle. This is absolutely crazy for air pollution, climate change, etc reasons.

It can not be right that we allow a public health crisis to continue to ensure motoring in real terms keeps getting cheaper and cheaper.

I'm in favour of the ULEZ and it extending as far as the north and south circular. I want my kids to breath cleaner air. I want to reduce my risk of pulmonary and other health problems by being able to breath cleaner air.

[malumbu]

Motorists have their part to play. I do, you can too. Unnecessary journeys. Overweight and over powered cars. Low occupancy (a car designed for four or five will usually only have one or two in it). Sitting on the side of the road idling. Racing up to the humps, banging the brakes on, foot to the ground until the next. And that is just the police! Private motorists even worse. We are failing to meet our carbon targets. We are failing to meet air quality standards. The market it failing too ? manufacturers maximise profits and sell vehicles accordingly as part of a lifestyle ? SUV anyone? Too easy to blame governments when we have a role. That said motorists are allowed to drive how we want, when we want, what we want and where we want and our elected representatives should act. Yet after the 2000 fuel protests (unholy alliance of farmers and hauliers), the main political parties see this as a vote loser. Forget Brexit, a political consensus on the environment is far more valuable. The ULEZ at least is a start. Joined-up congestion management, and a holistic view to mobility, at a local authority level would be great too. Over to you James

[micromacromonkey]

Some posters above are suggesting that being able to drive a car (or other petrol/diesel vehicle) is some sort of basic human right, where it most definitely is not.

[rendelharris]

micromacromonkey Wrote:

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> Some posters above are suggesting that being able

> to drive a car (or other petrol/diesel vehicle) is

> some sort of basic human right, where it most

> definitely is not.

You, sir or madam, have banged the nail most squarely on the head and entitled yourself to a cigar or a coconut, according to choice.

[natty01295]

This is BIKERS, SCOOTER RIDERS