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Um, I have 3 of the little bastards actually and thankfully they all go and sh!t in other people's gardens haha. BUT, Snorky, there is little evidence to suggest the decline in small songbirds is due to cats. In fact it is more likely due to the paving over of front gardens, loss of habitat for insects etc resulting in loss of food for the birdies.

My cats do VERY occasionally bring a bird back and I always chastise them thoroughly! I have tried bells but they keep getting the collars off, anyway bells don't help if they find a nest.

My cats equate cat litter tray with poo/wee - and come in from outside to use it. It's like they save it all up, just for me to clean up - that's if you can, actually, get them to go outside. Mind you, it's the foxes who leave their deposits all over the place and the squirrels who like to dig up the garden. But they're all so cute.

shitty death that's harsh. six (not seven) cats in one garden might tip me over some edge and I have a cat.


here comes the cat snobbery?


my cat is burmese and so is relaxed, peaceable and sans juice so non of this turf war nonsense all they fluffy cats go in for. and burmese live for ages unless snaffled by people who have truck driving mates (organised weirdoes).


so, cat owners should hook up with burmese breeders then everybody nice.


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>>I've heard a theory that cats with bells just learn to move in such a way that they don't jingle until it's too late. ?Don't know whether it's true though. <<


It is true: they soon learn to move stealthily without a single bell clanking/ringing. We fitted our little mass murderer with three bells and since then the scores of birds we also feed in the garden have remained largely unscathed. Not rhe mice though alas. He is though the only one of 5 cats we have had over the years who distressed us - and the birds of course - in that way.

Snorky, if you get your OWN moggy and its a temperantal tom, some can still be quite territorial (even once neutered) and spend a lot of time marking their territory and deter other cats coming in.


Or make very, very good friends (lots of fluffy cuddles from you to moggy) with a particular neighbourhood cat (perhaps a big and bold one) and they will also see your garden as their territory and may also mark territory and deter other cats coming in. If you see another cat, you have to shoo it off (loud and sharp claps) and then make sure the unwanted cat sees you cuddling the lovely moggy you have made friends with. Cats in citys do have larger overlaps between their territories due to the limited space, so choose a bold cat. You may have to watch the dynamics of the cats coming into your garden for a little while to choose which one to become friends with and show love to.


It doesn't always work, but I and quite a few people I know have seen it work - either by getting a moggy or becoming very friendly with a particular one.


So go on Snorks, share the love with a fluffy moggy - you know you want to! >:D<

How can I put this ?


I.


HATE.


CATS.


which clouds my judgement on these wretched mercenary parasites.


I am looking at various ways to tackle 2 problems I have


1) Mice

2) Cats pissing everyhwere ans shitting in the garden


aquiring a cat may short term help, but would have a knock on efect with everyone around me - thats unnacfeptable.


I may get a cat short term and then dump it in the peckham canal when it has done its job.

Not that I want to be judgmental or anything but it takes a particularly sick type of individual to willingly want to cause unnecessary harm to any animal.


Feral cats can be a public health and environmental problem and like rats or mice need to be controlled in a humane way but this ?hating cats? business just displays a very unedifying regress into the more depraved, vindictive side of human nature, the part that gets satisfaction from hurting things weaker than you. All thinly disguised as some sort of valid objection to an animal that has been domesticated and part of human civilization of thousands of years.

Brendan Wrote:

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> Not that I want to be judgmental or anything but

> it takes a particularly sick type of individual to

> willingly want to cause unnecessary harm to any

> animal.

>

> Feral cats can be a public health and

> environmental problem and like rats or mice need

> to be controlled in a humane way but this ?hating

> cats? business just displays a very unedifying

> regress into the more depraved, vindictive side of

> human nature, the part that gets satisfaction from

> hurting things weaker than you. All thinly

> disguised as some sort of valid objection to an

> animal that has been domesticated and part of

> human civilization of thousands of years.



Just cos I despise cats doesnt mean I want to see them rounded up and sent to extermination camps to get the electric collar.

IM actually going for a pair of Polecats , which apparently the cats are a bit spooked by - if they are brought uop correctly. they make fantastic loyal affectionate pets and the kids will love them - they can also aout of their owaccord and come homea t night for a bit of raw meat and a sleep in their hutch. they are alos happy sleeping in a bed in the kitchen, which may sort out my mouse problem


Im being serious as well

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