Pellatt Rd Parking

[micky]

Sydenham Hill needs double yellow or red route that Hill is an absolute nightmare cars park on either side and the amounts of times there are accidents on it not to mention every few weeks Thames water digging it up.

[Dr De Soto]

Problems in Pellatt Road/Melbourne Grove/Colwell Rd are about to get much worse. The council ignored residents' advice and have started to paint excessively long double yellow lines at the corners of Playfield and elsewhere. The idea is supposedly to make the road safer. In practice it will enable cars to go faster around corners, including the blind corner on Colwell Road Meanwhile about ten parking spaces have been lost.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Same all over ED, ridiculously long lines appearing. Speeds will

Invariably go up. I?ve already got close to being taken out by a car careering round the corner at speed. What a dumb and dangerous use of our taxes .

[Sue]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Same all over ED, ridiculously long lines

> appearing. Speeds will

> Invariably go up. I?ve already got close to being

> taken out by a car careering round the corner at

> speed. What a dumb and dangerous use of our taxes

> .

Well given that cars completely ignore the double yellow lines on corners and park on them anyway, thus making it very dangerous for cars coming out of the road because they can't see what is coming (the reason for the yellow lines in the first place), I doubt it is going to make much difference unless somebody actually starts fining the people who park on them.

[Sally Eva]

you can report illegal parking to Apcoa who manage it for Southwark.

Their direct line phone no is 0207 708 8587

Sue Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > Same all over ED, ridiculously long lines

> > appearing. Speeds will

> > Invariably go up. I?ve already got close to

> being

> > taken out by a car careering round the corner

> at

> > speed. What a dumb and dangerous use of our

> taxes

> > .

>

>

> Well given that cars completely ignore the double

> yellow lines on corners and park on them anyway,

> thus making it very dangerous for cars coming out

> of the road because they can't see what is coming

> (the reason for the yellow lines in the first

> place), I doubt it is going to make much

> difference unless somebody actually starts fining

> the people who park on them.

[singalto]

I have seen parents collecting from the new primary school parked on the double yellow lines, some with their engines idling and one parent actually parked in the disabled space near the school. She had no blue badge.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Sue Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > Same all over ED, ridiculously long lines

> > appearing. Speeds will

> > Invariably go up. I?ve already got close to

> being

> > taken out by a car careering round the corner

> at

> > speed. What a dumb and dangerous use of our

> taxes

> > .

>

>

> Well given that cars completely ignore the double

> yellow lines on corners and park on them anyway,

> thus making it very dangerous for cars coming out

> of the road because they can't see what is coming

> (the reason for the yellow lines in the first

> place), I doubt it is going to make much

> difference unless somebody actually starts fining

> the people who park on them.

I don't know, I think it forces cars to approach junctions very carefully and to come to a stop before pulling out with care. With clear sight lines, often they won't stop and will be looking down the road for oncoming traffic, rather than at pedestrians who might be crossing.

I suspect this may prove to be an example of the unintended consequences of well intentioned interventions.

[alex_b]

My anecdotal view is that speeds on Adys Road have increased since the double yellows went in, certainly we've had an increase in large vehicles getting stuck on the nutbrook/adys corner.

[Earl Aelfheah]

alex_b Wrote:

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> My anecdotal view is that speeds on Adys Road have

> increased since the double yellows went in,

> certainly we've had an increase in large vehicles

> getting stuck on the nutbrook/adys corner.

Yeah, my anecdotal evidence is that I have already nearly been taken out by someone coasting round the corner at a narrow angle, without stopping. Like I say, I think it's going to make things more dangerous personally.

[uncleglen]

Since the double yellow lines I have not been able to drive down 2 roads this week because the roads were blocked with double parked lorries. Where are the traffic wombles when you need them?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Unfortunately the roads are pretty lawless - police having been replaced with speed bumps.

[singalto]

The Royal Mail vans and British Gas vehicles use Pellatt rd like a race track. It?s terrifying.

[Kwayz]

Hi,

Hows everyone doing? Hope everyone's ok.

I was just wondering what peoples thoughts were regarding the new double yellow lines around East Dulwich? I can't say I'm too impressed by not only the many car parking spaces that have been taken away but in addition to that, I have now had the parking space outside my house taken away too! Chuffed as you can imagine!! As a result, I am now forced to interfere and park in neighbours spaces due to the new congestion.

To my knowledge, I have not known any accidents to occur at junctions (albeit there may have been a few near misses) but my argument lies with the double yellows allowing cars to race around bends at breakneck speeds with their new found visibility rather than the caution they would take when their view was slightly obscured.

I for one would be totally for signing a petition to have the yellow lines removed or at the very least shortened where they would be considerate for both drivers and residents.

Whats everyone else thoughts?

[bargee99]

I couldn't agree more Kwayz. It has turned what was a difficult parking condition into an impossible one. The length of the corner lines in a 20 mph speed zone on residential side streets are ridiculously long. I think that the only ones that need to be of any length are the ones actually on Lordship Lane when a van parked on a corner is very dangerous. I would have fully supported lines of a suitable length to keep the pavement access clear but a house and a half or more in each direction is absurd. There is certainly no reason for that length on the side roads without right of way at all and as you say encourages cars cutting corners without slowing down. The 10 metres in the highway code is advisory and not law and would bring London commerce to a halt if applied everywhere. The only accidents I have seen on my road over many years has been when the council has allowed the right of way markings to disappear and cars both think they don't have to stop. The car haters out there will no doubt rejoice with a lot of schadenfreude but as a pensioner and a sole carer for a 95 year old I need a car as close as possible for emergencies. If I were not leaving London this year after having spent all of my life in East Dulwich I would have to apply for a disabled bay. I suspect many others will also do so exacerbating the problem even more. It is forcing us to accept that a CPZ may be the only way out for us. Their aim all along I suspect. I hope our local political masters are happy with the way that they are making our lives miserable and that the drivers of Southwark remember them for their consideration in the local elections in May. It makes absolutely no difference at all but venting does have a certain cathartic effect.

[Jacqui5254]

Yup, they've suddenly appeared on Dunstans Road, Goodrich etc, also, and reduced the number of parking spaces considerably.

I, too, would like to know if there have ever been accidents here that have been created such a need.

These roads are chock-a-block at school time as drivers creep round and round looking for a place to park and it isn't easy for residents after school hours so reducing the number of available spaces makes no sense whatsoever.

Of course, the real reason is that Southwark are manoeuvring us towards the inevitable CPZ and, despite our protestations, are sitting with their fingers in their ears, going 'La la la...'

I have lived with an intransigent CPZ in St Albans and it is HELL.

The stress of living with every aspect of the CPZ far outweighs the relief of finding a parking space near your house.

My sinking heart has well and truely sunk.

[jimlad48]

We've had a CPZ introduced and it has been wonderful. Simple rules (operates 0830-1830), and ridiculously easy to purchase daily visitor permits online. How anyone can find it stressful or difficult is beyond me.

[sally buying]

We are having to have a CPZ, problem is it only operates 11-1 pm.

We are slap bang in the middle of your CPZ which operates 0830-1830.

Where do you think the parking will go. Our street.

Glad you are enjoying your CPZ.

[Jacqui5254]

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> We've had a CPZ introduced and it has been

> wonderful. Simple rules (operates 0830-1830), and

> ridiculously easy to purchase daily visitor

> permits online. How anyone can find it stressful

> or difficult is beyond me.

Hi jimlad48...the following is part of what I wrote in 2016 and explains why we found it stressful and difficult...it was deeply unpopular once it was rolled out everywhere and, once established, no amount of protesting changed a single detail..

"..sure, a 12-2 limit sounds great but, once the powers-that-be are given the go ahead, then it could be for any length of time as it all has to be paid for and 12-2 doesn't make as much money as a longer time period. New signs need to go up, new bays created, leaflets distributed, road markings changed, permits arranged. Then come extra wardens to police the roads.

I lived in St Albans, my house was over half a mile from the station yet we had 8am-8pm CPZ. The worst thing was that there was a warden at the end of our road at 7.59am every single day as that was when the pickings were rich. They were a permanent presence all day, 6 days a week, miserable faces because everyone hated them bearing down on you as you parked, creating anxiety whilst visitors first 'hello' was "am I supposed to have a parking ticket?". Despite regular protests, not one single thing was changed in the timing or location of the CPZ once it was established. So one day you wake up and find that YOUR road is 8am to 6.30pm. You spend half your working day thinking about parking. You have a permit so you feel a sense of entitlement and, about 2 miles from home you start thinking about a space...everyone else is on their way home from work now...willl there be a space? Will someone else get there first?

You will spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about parking. What about your cleaning lady? Has she got enough visitor permits? She arranges to clean for 2 hours, runs over a bit, then tells you that she went out to her car and there was a ticket on her car.

The babysitter? The person who is dropping by for a cuppa?...do you give them a one hour permit then watch the clock or a 5 hour permit just-in-case? They cost more but, hey, so does a fine from a keen parking attendant. Is it cheaper to use up a 5 hour permit on someone who is there for 4 hours or use up 4 individual hour permits as you have more of those left over, except that your neighbour has just knocked on your door saying 'have you got any one hour permits? My mum is coming over and we have only just realise we gave the last one to the boiler man this afternoon and, well y'know it takes 2 days to order new ones, etc etc etc..

So the cost of reducing the number of people who park in 'your' road can be measured in money, time, stress and fines. And you are still parking two streets away!"

Right now there is room for the cars displaced from your road to spill onto others but once it is rolled out everywhere it will feel very different.

[klove]

We've noticed a massive increase in the number of cars on our road in the few years. Two families have moved to houses opposite us with two cars each, when the previous occupants had none, and a family next to us now has FOUR cars... Why do you need four cars in London???

I'm slightly sympathetic to a CPZ as it's a way of taxing excessive car ownership in an already polluted and high density part of London.

[Penguin68]

Where there are adults in a house who live separate lives (all may work or have different day-time responsibilities, all have to go to different places at different times, and to places where local public transport does not well serve - or regularly out of town) then sharing a car may not be a realistic option - where they can afford to run, tax and insure more than one why shouldn't they? No individuals may need 4 cars in London, but we are not talking about one individual, perhaps, but, say, 4. Your question then boils down to 'why should anyone have even 1 car in London?' - a question much rehearsed in these threads in the past.

[jimlad48]

The big difference in parking in Southwark is the small size of the zones. Ours covers about 10 streets - no one else can park there beyond this. This is in contrast to Lewisham and other places where the zones are enormous and allow people to park widely.

There really is no stress, no worry and far less hassle as a result of a CPZ - our traffic is down 70%, no extra cars have arrived and it only gets busy now on the weekends.

Its a wonderful, wonderful experience - you have nothing to fear or worry about.

[spider69]

I am sure it is with 0830-1830 controlled parking.

Why did you when given the choice request all day not a 2 hour CPZ? A majority of 64 % of our street wanted your times but we were refused. We were not given the choice even though we are surrounded by all day CPZ's of which your road is one.

If you had experience of a 2 hour CPZ slot for your street/s would it be a wonderful, wonderful experience?

You have no idea you do not have it.

Perhaps having the right Cllr helps.

[jimlad48]

To be honest there is little tangible difference from all day to 2hr. A lot of people were worried, but we have found that the big parking pressure was from commuters parking all day, not people nipping in and out.

You will see a huge drop in traffic as commutters stop parking, and it will get better - you have nothing to worry about, and actually its easier if you have tradesmen or visitors as outside those 2 hours, you don't need to get a permit for them.

[sputnick]

I also think the double yellow lines are uneccessary. Plus I can't believe the incompetence of whoever painted the lines. They did't issue a notice for people to move their cars. Hence cars were parked on most corners in ED where they needed to paint. On our road i don't think we have a complete set of painted lines. I's a mess... They've even painted around one car!

There was a consultation by southwark council own the double yellows in the summer last year. I filed an objection, citing pretty much all the issues raised on this thread. The council were supposed to respond to me but surprise, surprise they never did. I bet they didn't respond to anyone else either. I just get the feeling they will do whatever they want regardless of local opinion.

[singalto]

Sputnik, I also objected to the extra yellow lines and had no feed back.