silverfox Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Ireland's problems started the day it joined the EEC.Saw a naive documentary by Fergal Keane the other day, trying to explain Ireland's problems as some sort of mistake made in the last tHree or four years. The rot started many years ago.Portugal next? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 SilvefoxAre you the nutter who puts the a4 printouts up around east dulwich Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narnia Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 What printouts? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 you sometimes see printed A4 sheets posted around the place - all CAP LETTERS complaining about this that and the other thing. Can't remember what name is at the bottom but similar levels of bonkerness Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narnia Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Ah complaining...............it's much easier to use the forum for that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmora Man Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 SEan,It's not "bonkers" to point out that Ireland's politicians and their endemic cronynisim with business engineered a huge property based boom on the back of low interest rates that were set by ECB in the 90s and '00s to suit France and Germany but that did little for the smaller fringe states of the EU. I would agree that once the crash hit some of the political decisions - particualrly the one that guaranteed all Irish bank debt were foolish but the seeds of the disaster were, indeed, set many years ago. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 maybe true quids but none of that has much to do with the ECireland's croneyism and corruption go back way further than any of thatBut the dark miserable place Ireland was before it joined the EEC? If anyone wants that they are indeed barmyBesides, it's not just this post - silvefox generally makes me wonder Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmora Man Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 SeanMacGabhann Wrote:Sean - Quids & I sometimes agree, sometimes disagree. We are not the same person tho'-------------------------------------------------------> maybe true quids but none of that has much to do> with the EC> > ireland's croneyism and corruption go back way> further than any of that> > But the dark miserable place Ireland was before it> joined the EEC? If anyone wants that they are> indeed barmy> > Besides, it's not just this post - silvefox> generally makes me wonder Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 oooh blimey MM - my mistake. Force of habit maybe?Many apologies tho Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfox Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 "...some of the political decisions - particualrly the one that guaranteed all Irish bank debt were foolish..."Tricky one this. The question is what would have happened if the Irish government hadn't made this guarantee? Bankruptcy obviously. The Irish people losing all their savings? Also, many mortgages in the UK were taken out with Irish Banks. Would thousands of people here have lost their houses? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmora Man Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 silverfox Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> "...some of the political decisions - particualrly> the one that guaranteed all Irish bank debt were> foolish..."> > Tricky one this. The question is what would have> happened if the Irish government hadn't made this> guarantee? Bankruptcy obviously. The Irish people> losing all their savings? Also, many mortgages in> the UK were taken out with Irish Banks. Would> thousands of people here have lost their houses?Much, indeed probably the majority of the Irish bank debt, was held by institutions and other European banks. Many of those institutions and banks were also in debt - to have their Irish bank loan guaranteed was better than they expected, they would have been making provision for bad debt but suddenly didn't have to. Ireland could probably have got away with just guaranteeing personal debt. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huguenot Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Whatever your views on the banking crisis silverfox, it's clear that any link to the EC would be tenuous.I just don't accept that the world before social strategy and progressive politics entailed a society of happy-go-lucky hobbits basking in the late summer sunshine as their wheatfields swayed in a gentle breeze.The world before democracy entailed diseased indentured impoverished serfs who lived a life of indescribable malnutrition and slavery until they died before hitting forty.They would have hated it.Your comments on Ireland reveal a very poor insight into Irish society, and an almost delusional view of their history. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfox Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 "... impoverished serfs who lived a life of indescribable malnutrition and slavery..." didn't know any different - that was their lot.Ireland has lived high on the hog and seen how sweet life can be thanks to cheap loans and low ECB interest rates and now a couple of generations will be sacrificed to pay the bill. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-414928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Ireland indeed was a dark and dispairing place, but I dont agree it brightened up beacause of the Euro thing.The youngsters of Ireland came alive when they had Boyzone and Westlife, that shook up those old menthat preached death and mayham all their young lives.They were sick of it and just wanted to live their own lives, to be young ,to dance and sing without being in somereligous staitjacket.They made Ireland and the rest of the U'K rock, not the dictatorial Europe gang.The money gleaned by religion in that counntry is another thing keeping it poor. Joining the Euro was a mistake. as the saying goes the proof is in the Pudding. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-416643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Ha haha hahah aha h aha aha a Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-416728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 i just want to dance! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-416759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 There you,s go, laughing and dancing already. They have done Ireland proud though, havent they. I,ve met Shane in kent,his a really nice bloke. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-416866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I?m afraid I am completely unqualified to comment on whether or not Rody Williams made a significant contribution to the Irish renaissance. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/16002-dance-with-the-devil-ireland-the-eec/#findComment-417060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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