Le Chardon sold

[JoeLeg]

I agree with all that Louisa, but sometimes - just occasionally - some might say that you've not always been so enamoured of new arrivals, and that sometimes you don't hold back from voicing your opinion that they don't offer anything you want.

It's great that you are supportive of local trades over many years - I know both you and I are enthusiastic fans of Sopers, for example, but you haven't alwYs seemed so keen on the new arrivals.

I could be misinterpreting you of course.

[Penguin68]

What amazes me about some posters on here, is the utter contempt for long established and successful local businesses which have weathered various storms, and the eager anticipation at the arrival of something new. Why can't we be happy that these independent places are thriving here still, whether they've been here for 60 odd years, or are new additions to the neighbourhood?

Sometimes businesses no longer serve (enough) of the local market to drive sufficient revenues - even where their continuing customers are still satisfied - sometime business owners or managers wish to retire, and cannot find someone to take on the business unchanged. I'm not sure any real 'contempt' has been shown, although I would condemn businesses unwilling to change to meet changing customer needs. That a business has survived so far gives it no 'right' to survive into the future. Many places are still thriving - well good on them. Some for whatever reasons aren't - I'm sad if they are sad - but sentiment alone doesn't drive revenues.

[Seabag]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Seabag Wrote:

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> > I get EDhistory's questions, not wanting to see

> > accusations that are unfounded

> >

> > Only when others post spurious "Flan for a

> tenner"

> > type posts I don't see the same questions,

> oddly.

> >

> > If Ayres (and others) aren't cutting costs by

> > using butter substitutes I'd be very very

> > suprised.

>

> I presume this is a dig at me. As ever, I am happy

> to be proven wrong, and I wish the new firm every

> success. What amazes me about some posters on

> here, is the utter contempt for long established

> and successful local businesses which have

> weathered various storms, and the eager

> anticipation at the arrival of something new. Why

> can't we be happy that these independent places

> are thriving here still, whether they've been here

> for 60 odd years, or are new additions to the

> neighbourhood?

>

> Louisa.

Oh lord blimey.

It's not so binary as for one against the other. Just so we're clear I ACTUALLY SHOP AT AYRES AND HAVE DONE FOR 20+ YEARS. Do you not get that?

But and it is a BIG but, I'm not blind to either because of the other. However, when I point out the practice of rinsing the new places with your usual guffawed "Flan for a tenner" type post, then it's going to get pulled up.

And I'll ask what the genuine cost comparison really is, but you seem to want to blind side that question, lest it shines your stabby post in the light it should be seen in.

And cheaper flans and pastries are cheaper why? Cheaper because the dearly loved places use substitutes to cut the costs, so not afterall the same product, just looking like the same product.

But you struggle to swallow that, because that gets in the way of your prejudice. Why let a good snipe be undermined with grubby information to the contrary.

Much like the mythical ?12 hamburger or Pizza you've trotted out, it's your wonderful hilarious way to show how much you love the new stuff in E.D.

Other than that, how are you?

[Ghlpc]

Seriously, this thread is great! Keeps me going while the wife has love island on the tv!

[Seabag]

Ghlpc Wrote:

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> Seriously, this thread is great! Keeps me going

> while the wife has love island on the tv!

Put the kettle on and pull up a chair

That said, Loopy LouBag is probably drunk/in-bed by now

[Alan Medic]

I do wonder about what thought and research some new businesses which failed but into their business plan.

We now have Firefly on Underhill Road, but it wasn't too long ago it was a Cafe which didn't last long and before that a sort of craft shop which also failed. Neither were there for long.

Years ago on the same site (I think), Maria from Spain and her Turkish(?) husband ran a little grocery shop also selling fruit and veg. They were there a very long time.

I'm sure there are other examples of businesses which didn't last too long in the area. Green & Blue comes to mind. It must be a big investment to start a business and a bummer when it fails. Good luck to all new businesses. It can't be easy getting it right.

[DulwichFox]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> I do wonder about what thought and research some

> new businesses which failed but into their

> business plan.

>

> We now have Firefly on Underhill Road, but it

> wasn't too long ago it was a Cafe which didn't

> last long and before that a sort of craft shop

> which also failed. Neither were there for long.

The shop is 'owned' by Sema's. The caf? was run by them.. It was a great caf? too which I used to use.

They now rent it to Firefly. A specialist shop which you have to know it is there.

Dulwichfox

[Satellite]

Anyway back to the original talking point, I went there about a month ago for breakfast due to duck egg having closed down. I must say I was surprised upon receiving my full english to have onions mixed in with mushrooms and a stuffed tomato, with food being served like this i can;t say i'm shocked to see it has shut down.

Also on the breaksfast front Johnnies 5 for ?5 is now 5 for ?6 with an additional 50p if you want coffee instead of tea !!

[KidKruger]

"...on the same site (I think), Maria from Spain and her Turkish husband ran a little grocery shop".

No, it was a few doors along to the right / West, it's now flats.

[cordsm]

messageRe: Le Chardon sold

Posted by Ghlpc Yesterday, 09:00PM

Seriously, this thread is great! Keeps me going while the wife has love island on the tv

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Yup....Flangate has been good! The people running Tart must be wondering what kind of weird area they've moved into!

[Louisa]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Ghlpc Wrote:

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> > Seriously, this thread is great! Keeps me going

> > while the wife has love island on the tv!

>

> Put the kettle on and pull up a chair

>

> That said, Loopy LouBag is probably drunk/in-bed

> by now

Actually, I was rather busy last night driving, so no room for alcohol I'm afraid. Sorry to destroy your preconceived ideas about me, but yes I do have a life outside of talking about flans and quiches.

Once again my comments are taken wildly out of context and turned into a poor man's monty python sketch. The absurd way in which folk choose to misunderstand my comments is way too predictable. You didn't have to justify being an Ayre's customer for 20+ years after talking about industrial butter. If you believe they use industrial butter then why not say it as it is, 'I won't buy stuff from there it's not for me?'. What items out of interest do you buy from there which you can be entirely sure do not contain this bizarre butter you talk of? I've never even heard of it. Honestly.

Louisa.

[Sue]

What has Ayres got to do with anything, anyway?

It isn't even in East Dulwich!

[edhistory]

And I'd prefer not to know what sort of butter Seabag prefers.

[Louisa]

Ayre's sells flans, that's why it was brought into this discussion. Also, Nunhead and East Dulwich are neighbours, what goes in locally in terms of quiche/flan openings and comparables is entirely relevant to this thread Sue.

I would love to know which butter Seabag prefers, because thus far we've heard all sorts of things about industrial butter butter being used in flans and no-one knows or can verify this. It's all hear say.

Louisa.

[Sue]

At a wild guess, I'd say most people in East Dulwich are not going to trek over to Nunhead to buy a flan ....

[KidKruger]

Personally, I'm glad I won't be having to trek over to Nunhead for my daily flan.

[DulwichFox]

Have lived without Flans for 65 years. Never eaten a Flan.

Certainly will not be queuing down Lordship Lane with the usual hysterical frenzied mob.

'Bestest Flan I have ever had. Really Yummy... Pricey but we were Stuffed. Deffo going back.'

Foxy..

[Sue]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Have lived without Flans for 65 years. Never eaten

> a Flan.

>

> Certainly will not be queuing down Lordship Lane

> with the usual hysterical frenzied mob.

>

> 'Bestest Flan I have ever had. Really Yummy...

> Pricey but we were Stuffed. Deffo going back.'

>

And the last time you saw a "hysterical, frenzied mob" in Lordship Lane was - when?

Just because your eating habits are rather limited does not mean that everybody else's are.

Don't you ever feel like trying something or somewhere new?

Flans are hardly exotic!

[binkylilyput]

"Hysterical frenzied mob"!!!!

Brilliant

I'm totally anticipating hysterics and frenzy when this flan shop opens. East Dulwich is well known for it. I'm thinking the opening of a flan shop is likely to push things a bit too far and the mob could well lose control. I'm wondering if the new owners have considered maybe having a heightened police presence around that time?

Might be just as well to go the extra distance to Ayre's bakery until things calm down- best not to risk sh*t kicking off on Lordship, these flan eaters are like the walking dead when they smell quality butter

[DulwichFox]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > Have lived without Flans for 65 years. Never

> eaten

> > a Flan.

> >

> > Certainly will not be queuing down Lordship

> Lane

> > with the usual hysterical frenzied mob.

> >

> > 'Bestest Flan I have ever had. Really Yummy...

> > Pricey but we were Stuffed. Deffo going back.'

> >

>

>

> And the last time you saw a "hysterical, frenzied

> mob" in Lordship Lane was - when?

Every Saturday.. William Rose. When Franco Manca opened.

Christmas W.R. Moxons.. Cheese Block.

>

> Just because your eating habits are rather limited

> does not mean that everybody else's are.

My eating habits are not limited. What I can eat is restrictive..

Carbs. Bread, Rice, Potatoes, Things containing Flour.

Chocolate, Jam, Dried Fruit, Custard,

Red meat. Caffeine. (tea & Coffee)

Other people can eat what they like.

>

> Don't you ever feel like trying something or

> somewhere new?

I eat the food I like to eat so prepare food at home.

I am a very small eater. Typical T/A curry I get 2-3 meals out of.

I am happy with one pub of choice. ( I have been a regular at several pubs over the years)

Hate change.

>

> Flans are hardly exotic!

No they are not. that's why no one should be paying 7 quid for one (with a few Leaves.

I do however eat most of the things I am not supposed to eat. Albeit in very small amounts.

Foxy

[Louisa]

Sue Wrote:

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> At a wild guess, I'd say most people in East

> Dulwich are not going to trek over to Nunhead to

> buy a flan ....

I do. I trek over to Nunhead to support a local business I've been buying from since I was a youngster. I think it's important that we support existing businesses. I could be lazy, and buy a cold flan from Sainsbury's, but I'd rather make an afternoon of it. It's a nice brisk walk. I don't always buy flans either, sometimes I'll buy sausage rolls, sometimes a loaf of bread or some rolls. Very occasionally a cake or two. What's wrong with that?

Louisa.

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Personally, I'm glad I won't be having to trek

> over to Nunhead for my daily flan.

It will be handy having a flan shop on your doorstep KK, makes it easier to keep up your wild flower planting on the green without interruption.

Louisa.

[maxxi]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Sue Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> > And the last time you saw a "hysterical,

> frenzied

> > mob" in Lordship Lane was - when?

>

> Every Saturday.. William Rose. When Franco Manca

> opened.

> Christmas W.R. Moxons.. Cheese Block.

So, for 'hysterical frenzied mob' read 'orderly queue of shoppers using very popular local businesses'.

Numpty.

[Seabag]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Ayre's sells flans, that's why it was brought into

> this discussion. Also, Nunhead and East Dulwich

> are neighbours, what goes in locally in terms of

> quiche/flan openings and comparables is entirely

> relevant to this thread Sue.

>

> I would love to know which butter Seabag prefers,

> because thus far we've heard all sorts of things

> about industrial butter butter being used in flans

> and no-one knows or can verify this. It's all hear

> say.

>

> Louisa.

I prefer real 100% butter, what's difficult to understand about that. Not 'I cant belive it's not butter' type products. It's quite simple.

Google Bakers Friend/ butter alternatives. Stuff like this is common place in the price point sensitive end of the food industry. Most people are ignorant of how these products are used, as the bakers don't exactly advertise it. Why would they, blissful ignorance prevails.

I'm not digging out Ayres, as many bakers like them use this type of product. However, I highlighted Ayres as it's the place yu bought up as the place you prefer to purchase a less expensive 'flan' product. My point is I get pi55ed off when people highlight prices of places (like the new Le Chardon place) when in reality its not wholly fair comparison.

So yes, they both sell flan style products, but not the same 'like for like' is it really.

So good luck to everyone.

Enjoy your flan, whatever it contains.

[Sue]

Dulwich Fox seems to be living in some alternative parallel universe.

We see queues on Saturday of people who can't get to shop in the week because they are working.

He sees a hysterical frenzied mob.

We see what looks like a great new place opening.

He sees somewhere he will never ever venture in (unless it's a new Indian restaurant with the usual familiar food).

Maybe try what I do with my grandkids, Foxy, and try one food a day you've never eaten?

You might even like some of it. Nothing ventured, and all that :)