Firepits on warm evenings

[Mallard Von Hannover]

Gas is a fossil fuel, isn't it?

[Mr Django Wisteria]

Louisa your contribution re: BBQ's & firepits & 'young people' just cracks me up

Plus your silent drunkenness under your blanky ! lol

[Mr Django Wisteria]

Mallard,

Gas is sustainable but is often sold in metal containers which are not always recycled especially for camping which is a challenge in itself

[spark67]

Use a Gas BBQ Myself in the summer, mainly due to the fact I'm so Lazy when it comes to cleaning out a charcoal one.... if you don't like burning charcoal best stay away from Burgess park, It looks like fog on some sunny weekends with all the (council built) BBQs going off all over the place :)

[Jules-and-Boo]

It's so urban having a firepit. In the country, we have bonfires...and from completely sustainable garden waste.

[Penguin68]

When you're not popping grockles in a wicker man...

[fruityloops]

Louisa Wrote:

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> fruityloops Wrote:

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> > Louisa - great trolling.

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> > What about BBQs?

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>

> Never been a fan of BBQ's either. Also, why does a

> BBQ have to involve fossil fuel burning? You can

> get gas and electric options! Don't understand the

> fascination with antipodean style meat

> preparation. Steamed and slow roasted meat retain

> far more flavour than being burnt and half cooked

> on a coal burning heat pit.

>

> No trolling from me, just honesty as ever.

>

> Louisa.

:'-D Gas... :'-D

Fairly sure the "fire-pits" (if that's what they are and not just someone having a bbq) are going to be wood.

As for cooking on charcoal. Get over it. Some people enjoy it, who are you to stop them.

[rendelharris]

fruityloops Wrote:

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> As for cooking on charcoal. Get over it. Some

> people enjoy it, who are you to stop them.

I enjoy smoking, but I take care not to impose it on others who don't like the smoke. Just good manners.

[fruityloops]

you're telling me you've never had a bbq? Through fear of how the smoke may affect neighbours...

Stop enjoying yourselves folks. How dare you!

[rendelharris]

This thread has gone on far too long (or my participation in it has) for such a minor topic, but in parting no, actually, I don't have barbecues, partly out of consideration for the neighbours but also as I think I can make far nicer food in the kitchen then bring it out to my guests in the garden. Anyway, I don't think anyone would object strenuously to an occasional barbecue, the OP was about people having woodburning firepits and letting smoke into their home, presumably on a very regular basis.

"Oh people are enjoying themselves" is not, per se, a valid excuse for doing things which annoy others. On occasion I'd enjoy having my speakers out in the garden playing Sonny Rollins at top volume at 1AM, but I don't because it would be inconsiderate to others. Would it be OK to do that and use your arguments if people objected: "get over it, I'm enjoying it, who are you to stop me?"

[KidKruger]

Actually RH, if it's Sonny Rollins, then it'd be more than OK to blast it out at any time of day !

It's in the public interest to be exposed to Sonny Rollins and his ilk (I'd add Dexter Gordon, Lee Morgan), no matter the hour.

[rendelharris]

Well I agree but ED can be awfully conservative about these matters...

[fruityloops]

if it bothers you. go and tell them. They'll be considerate and put it out, and stop it, or call you out for being a daft chap with little else to worry about than a bit of smoke.

[fruityloops]

Oh, and i'll probably be bbq-ing tonight Rendelharris. Welcome to join.

[Seabag]

Louisa Wrote:

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> fruityloops Wrote:

>

> Never been a fan of BBQ's either. Also, why does a

> BBQ have to involve fossil fuel burning? You can

> get gas and electric options! Don't understand the

> fascination with antipodean style meat

> preparation. Steamed and slow roasted meat retain

> far more flavour than being burnt and half cooked

> on a coal burning heat pit.

>

> No trolling from me, just honesty as ever.

>

> Louisa.

Charcoal isn't a fossil fuel, it's dry distilled wood. As in not mined from a coal mine, but made in a retort, in a woodland.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Barbeques are great - a good get together outside - can be anywhere - just brilliant way to be sociable and get off the devices, away from the TV and chatting to people.

WE have a big summer party every year and BBQ the food. Make our own burgers too.

My friend has been known to BBQ I winter too and I've definitely been to more than one when it's raining.

It doesn't have to be meat, lots of veggie options too.

Maybe if there's a problem with your neighbours, you could actually invite them over. Why the hell not. You never know, you might actually make a friend or two.

[Louisa]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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> > fruityloops Wrote:

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> >

> > Never been a fan of BBQ's either. Also, why does

> a

> > BBQ have to involve fossil fuel burning? You

> can

> > get gas and electric options! Don't understand

> the

> > fascination with antipodean style meat

> > preparation. Steamed and slow roasted meat

> retain

> > far more flavour than being burnt and half

> cooked

> > on a coal burning heat pit.

> >

> > No trolling from me, just honesty as ever.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> Charcoal isn't a fossil fuel, it's dry distilled

> wood. As in not mined from a coal mine, but made

> in a retort, in a woodland.

Ok I wasn't aware of that. It's still being burnt in gardens and creating horrible amounts of smoke and is incredibly anti social. I also do not enjoy the taste of meat cooked out in the open. The BBQ taste overpowers everything else in my opinion, especially if it's charcoal.

Louisa.

[fruityloops]

Horrible amounts of smoke.

Incredibly anti-social.

Meat cooked out in the open - lock up your meat boys and girls...

This is superb. Over some people having fun, enjoying a bbq :'-D

[rendelharris]

Whatever - symptomatic of modern bad manners, I'm having fun so sod anyone else. See also loud music from cars, shouting in the streets late at night etc etc. Anyone who objects to such bad manners labelled a killjoy, "I'm just having fun." Selfishness and egotism.

Did you know, by the way, that barbecue smoke is almost as carcinogenic as cigarette smoke and obviously produced in far greater volumes? Think about that next time your neighbour complains you've smoked them out of their garden and you call them a daft chap with little else to worry about.

[Captain Kernow]

Wos on my birds, Captain Kernow here- live from Cornwall...

In usual EDF fashion I?ve sat back and watched the usual virtue signalling with some amusement.

I?m a keen BBQ?er and own a wonderful Kadai fire pit which also doubles as BBQ (bought on LL to make sure we keep the local economy going)- we often have friends over (sometimes even neighbours- can you imagine!?), we eat, we socialise and then we sit around the fire. Once it hits around 9pm (ish) and I know our neighbour's children are being tucked in, the pit goes out and we head for one of those trendy gentrified hipster pubs where they only sell artisan ales.

As highlighted lump wood charcoal is not a fossil fuel, and all my meat is ethically sourced from a field somewhere in the countryside- so its all a rather organic affair.

So I guess where I?m going with this is, rather than being a Negative Nelly and a Moaning Myrtle- unplug from the EDF hive and go enjoy the summer- if you?re a neighbour hating curtain twitcher, buck the trend and make an effort to get to know your neighbours.

Life is too short to be a miserable F**K 24/7

[rendelharris]

Conversely, London's too crowded to be a selfish f**k 24/7.

I have friends over nearly every weekend - and neighbours - in the summer and we eat, drink and socialise without feeling the need to spoil other people's enjoyment of their own gardens with wafts of firelighter, charcoal and burnt meat smoke.

ETA Don't know if you got the memo, CK - generally agreed that anyone who uses the phrase virtue signalling doesn't have an argument. How is it "virtue signalling" to say you don't like having your garden and/or house filled with smoke? You've just grabbed a phrase much beloved of idiots and shoved it in to try and portray yourself as a free liberal spirit. Bit sad really.

[Captain Kernow]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Conversely, London's too crowded to be a selfish

> f**k 24/7.

>

> I have friends over nearly every weekend - and

> neighbours - in the summer and we eat, drink and

> socialise without feeling the need to spoil other

> people's enjoyment of their own gardens with wafts

> of firelighter, charcoal and burnt meat smoke.

>

> ETA Don't know if you got the memo, CK - generally

> agreed that anyone who uses the phrase virtue

> signalling doesn't have an argument. How is it

> "virtue signalling" to say you don't like having

> your garden and/or house filled with smoke?

> You've just grabbed a phrase much beloved of

> idiots and shoved it in to try and portray

> yourself as a free liberal spirit. Bit sad

> really.

Wos on Pard!

Well bleddy ell, you'm teasy as a bleddy adder aren't ee! Wos madder boy, can't ee cook a bit of meat without burning un?

Down in Kernow we love our bleddy neighbours, 'specially you London types that come and buy 'oliday 'omes forcing us to come and buy terraced 'ouses in london.

I gotta tell ee boy, just cos you ave a bleddy 'pinion dun't make ee right!Just like it dun't make mine right- opinions are like bleddy ass'oles we've all got em.

you'm more than welcome to come over for a lovely bit of well cooked venison, and if you'm lucky I may even make ee a pasty- 'ot and peppery just like granny used to make.

Anyway muther's calling- tis time for some cakey tea!

Cheers and gone!

[dbboy]

"well cooked venison" needs to be on the rare side.

[Captain Kernow]

dbboy Wrote:

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> "well cooked venison" needs to be on the rare

> side.

well cooked, as in cooked with finesse- only people from Devon eat venison well done silly buggers.

[Louisa]

Captain Kernow Wrote:

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> > "well cooked venison" needs to be on the rare

> > side.

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> well cooked, as in cooked with finesse- only

> people from Devon eat venison well done silly

> buggers.

No offence but from the people I've seen in Cornwall and Devon, inbreeding has a lot to answer for. Most of the types who move to London are so desperate to become accepted members of society they'll do anything to escape the dull, depressing lifestyle they've been brought up in. So I don't think Londoners need to take any advice about virtue signalling from bizarre country folk who move here to fill our city with disgusting smoke from poncy wannabe meat bought at an organic butchery to cremate on some overly expensive hardly used anti social BBQ they keep in their garden to show off with (a way of making said country folk feel slightly more accepted perhaps in their imaginary world of how they like London to be).

Stop being antisocial. Stop using bbq's in confined spaces. If you really want one, find a field and rent it for a weekend in the middle of nowhere (somewhere like Cornwall perhaps?) where you can burn meat to your hearts content.

Louisa.