Alan Medic Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Where's the evidence that BJ manipulated JJ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1292737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I'd argue that JJ wouldn't have resigned were it nor for the 700k... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1292764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Carole Cadwalladr has reported that the Tax Payers alliance has agreed to accept all guilt in the dismissal and character attacks on Shahmir Sanni https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/11/brexit-whistleblower-shahmir-sanni-taxpayers-alliance-concedes-it-launched-smears?CMP=share_btn_twApparently by conceding that they won't be forced to reveal their benefactors in court. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1292781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbin Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 diable rouge Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I'd argue that JJ wouldn't have resigned were it> nor for the 700k...lol! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1292969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 JJ is having a pop today - sounds like the vote is lost - maybe she won't even get it through cabinet.https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-accused-of-calculated-deceit-of-the-british-public-over-brexit-a3987516.htmlbut most chilling for me in that case?frankly, there haven?t been enough no-deal preparations to prove an alternative?. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1292970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Whatever happened to ''No deal is better than a bad deal''?...:) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1292997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 So David Liddington (effectively Deputy Prime Minister) has said we made our decision even if it makes us poorer (as he obviously believes it will) and it has to be implemented.8/10 for honesty2/10 for understanding that people can change their mind Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 The PM - either deluded or lying I'm afraid. Even 52-48 is not overwhelming and I subscribe to the belief that has changed.'She said Britons "overwhelmingly" wanted her to "get on" with leaving the EU at the address on Monday night.'https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-i-wont-at-any-cost-sign-a-brexit-deal-that-compromises-referendum-result-a3988186.htmlhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-final-say-remain-leave-new-poll-latest-news-uk-a8524431.html Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Statements like that don't really bother me at this stage, as there is an argument that to say something like ''there will be a 2nd ref'' would undermine their already tenuous negotiating position. At the moment it all feels like grandstanding at the eleventh hour, who will blink first. The consensus seems that whatever we end up with will get voted down and we'll end up in a full blown constitutional crisis with the clock still ticking. One under-reported event from last week is that the Gov lost an appeal against a case for the CJEU to rule whether the UK can unilaterally withdraw the A50 notice, thereby not needing the approval of all the EU27, as it currently stands. You'd think that would be a nice insurance to have should things get really sticky, but this Gov is trying to appeal again, this time to the Supreme Court, using 5 QC's, more than they used in the Gina Miller case. If it fails the case will be heard before the CJEU at the end of this month. This was one of the reasons why the Gov has been rushing to get a deal done for a Nov summit before then, but that doesn't look like it will happen now. Instead, it will be mid-Dec, which is good news and weakens the Gov's line that the only options are a bad deal or no deal.It also looks like the Gov will have to publish their Brexit legal advice. For a Gov that proposes Gov ''taking back control'', they have a funny way of showing it... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Jacob Rees Mogg has said Theresa Mays deal is not just a vassal state but a slave state. The video (posted by Faisal Islam) is all foggy like some strange found footage movie.By the way Faisal is moving from Sky to the BBC as Economics Editorhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/faisal-islam Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passiflora Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just watching the BBC news and the news readers and reporters are frothing at the mouth and can't get their words out quick enough about the Brexit news! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Robert Mueller is after Nigel Farage and Arron Banks apparently. I'd love it if Farage was the brains behind all the sh*t going on in the world - but can't see it.https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-wants-info-donald-trumps-british-ally-far-right-politician-nigel-1214039Lovely pic mind. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Theresa May has now taken back controlhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-plan-retain-control-eu-sabine-weyand-cabinet-a8632866.html Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I find all of this confusing. Is May actually working pro-EU and the Border/ Backstop is actually a distraction? There is so little fact - and not enough detail about it to warrant all the big headlines about it.It would appear that we are leaving but nothing is changing? apart from a divorce settlement.Do we actually know? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Lots of analogies out there this morning, liking this one...Brexit is a Shetland pony with a traffic cone on its head... :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Angelina Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I find all of this confusing. Is May actually> working pro-EU and the Border/ Backstop is> actually a distraction? There is so little fact -> and not enough detail about it to warrant all the> big headlines about it.> > It would appear that we are leaving but nothing is> changing? apart from a divorce settlement.> > Do we actually know?We haven't seen her plan but it's leaking out.We won't have representation on the Council of Ministers, We won't have MEPs (as in any form of Brexit) but we have to follow all the rules and maintain all the standards of a member. We won't be negotiating our own trade deals until we can exit the temporary deal which apparently is almost impossible to do (according to leaks) So (in my view which is similar to the Brexiteers) there is something of the Vassal state in her plan. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 so, actually worse than before. no control and no input.are we really expecting the cabinet to pass this? surely it's just impossibly blind. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Angelina Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> so, actually worse than before. no control and no> input.> > are we really expecting the cabinet to pass this?> surely it's just impossibly blind.Remainers and Leavers seem united in not liking this deal. I bet Theresa May has something up her sleeve - she may be really bad at some things but she's always been good at finding ways of getting things through parliament using every trick in the book. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 well that's worrying - whether she's got a way of wiggling this through, or if there's more to it that we don't know about.....???there's a protest today if anyone's near. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Angelina Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> well that's worrying - whether she's got a way of> wiggling this through, or if there's more to it> that we don't know about.....???> > there's a protest today if anyone's near.A protest? A sort of 'down with this type of thing' type protest? It's probably hard to be specific. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 yes a sort of "Leave means Leave not Stay and Worse than Before" protest. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Something to lighten the mood, BBC Director and anti-Brexit protester go head to head :)... https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/1062684649749708800 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 diable rouge Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Something to lighten the mood, BBC Director and> anti-Brexit protester go head to head :)...> https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/10626846> 49749708800LOL Sodem - One day they'll have tech to delete him from shot in real time (and that'll be a bad day) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 JohnL Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I bet Theresa May has something up her sleeve -> she may be really bad at some things but she's> always been good at finding ways of getting things> through parliament using every trick in the book.I reckon she'll use the ticking clock a lot, already has form for that, and is even doing it with her own Cabinet today. Having first seen the WA late last night, a document which by all accounts is 500 pages long, and very, very, detailed, they are expected to give a verdict on it this afternoon. Last December they couldn't even decipher a couple of A4s, which brought about the problematic issue of the Irish backstop. Expect it will go through with little fuss, then it will be interesting to see how May sells it to her party (and some Labour MPs in Leave seats). The obvious line will be the threat of No Deal, but that doesn't cut it with the ERG and DUP, or even Labour rebels like Hoey, who being Brexit ideologues would actually prefer that... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbboy Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 What's the betting that if the Govt No deals on Brexit, the cost of the weekly shop will rocket in price as soon as it is announced or possibly from 1st April next year? Has anyone bought additional non perishable items as a precaution (especially those that are imported into the UK from the continent/EU? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/71/#findComment-1293647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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