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robbin

robbin

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dbboy wrote


"...How does it effect every household in the UK, with prices slowly but surely continually increasing, so it hits us all in the pocket...."


Funny you should write this just the day after the widely publicised much greater drop in inflation than anyone was expecting!!

uncleglen

uncleglen

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edcam Wrote:

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> Same JohnL. The potential for disaster seems to

> grow every day.


for goodness' sake....the fact that the EU gave Turkey a loan to TAKE the Southampton Transit factory and the fact that the ECHR deemed a RAPE conviction with 8 years in jail in Romania not serious enough to deport a Romanian from the UK after he was caught drink driving (potential murderer in my book). The FACT that a Latvian builder who had killed his wife and served time in Latvia somehow came backwards and forwards to the UK 7 times and then he murdered a 15 year old schoolgirl.....these things are DISASTERS -

robbin

robbin

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UK's HICP is pretty similar to Germany, slightly lower than France, a fair bit lower than Belgiuum, slightly higher than Spain, almost one tenth the rate in Turkey (now you would be entitled to whinge about inflation if you were there!). So, I'm not following your point about the sky falling in with grinding inflation caused by Brexit. Care to elaborate?
JoeLeg

JoeLeg

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uncleglen Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Same JohnL. The potential for disaster seems

> to

> > grow every day.

>

> for goodness' sake....the fact that the EU gave

> Turkey a loan to TAKE the Southampton Transit

> factory and the fact that the ECHR deemed a RAPE

> conviction with 8 years in jail in Romania not

> serious enough to deport a Romanian from the UK

> after he was caught drink driving (potential

> murderer in my book). The FACT that a Latvian

> builder who had killed his wife and served time in

> Latvia somehow came backwards and forwards to the

> UK 7 times and then he murdered a 15 year old

> schoolgirl.....these things are DISASTERS -



You really don?t like answering direct questions, do you?


All you care about is digging up anything which supports your racism.


I?m pretty sure we could find similar cases involving British citizens, both here and abroad, but that doesn?t fit your narrative.

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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Robert Peston's take on May's last chance from what he calls 'well-placed sources'.




Robert Peston

11 hrs ?

Facebook Creator

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Hello from Brussels and the EU Council that promised a Brexit breakthrough and delivered nothing.

So on the basis of conversations with well placed sources, this is how I think the Brexit talks are placed (WARNING: if you are fearful of a no-deal Brexit, or are of a nervous disposition, stop reading now).

1) Forget about having any clue when we leave about the nature and structure of the UK?s future trading relationship with the EU. The government heads of the EU27 have rejected Chequers. Wholesale. And they regard it as far too late to put in place the building blocks of that future relationship before we leave on 29 March 2019. So any Political Declaration on the future relationship will be waffly, vague and general. It will be what so many MPs detest: a blind Brexit. The PM may say that won?t happen. No one here (except perhaps her own Downing St team) believes her.

2) The earliest date for a deal on Brexit terms - that vacuous Political Declaration and the Withdrawal Agreement - is now the Council in mid December. But even that date may prove too challenging.

3) The gulf between the EU27 and May, as you know, is over how to keep open the Northern Ireland border. There is no chance of the EU abandoning its insistence that there should be a backstop - with no expiry date - of Northern Ireland, but not Great Britain, remaining in the Customs Union and the single market. That would involve the introduction of the commercial border in the Irish Sea that May says must never be drawn.

4) All efforts therefore from the UK are aimed at putting in place other arrangements to make it impossible for that backstop to be introduced.

5) Her ruse for doing this is the creation of another backstop that would involve the whole of the UK staying in something that looks like the customs union.

6) But she feels cannot commit to keeping the UK in the customs union forever, because her Brexiter MPs won?t let her. So it does not work as a backstop. And anyway the Article 50 rules say that the Withdrawal Agreement must not contain provisions for a permanent trading relationship between the whole of the UK and the EU. Which is a hideous Catch 22.

7) There is a solution. She could ignore her Brexiter critics and announce the UK wanted written into the Political Declaration - as opposed to the Withdrawal Agreement - that we would be staying permanently in the customs union. This is one bit of specificity the rest of the EU would allow into the Political Declaration. And it could be nodded at in the Withdrawal Agreement.

8) But if she announces we are staying in the Customs Union she would be crossing her reddest of red lines because she would have to abandon her ambition of negotiating free trade deals with non-EU countries. Liam Fox would be made redundant.

9) She knows, because her Brexit negotiator Olly Robbins has told her, that her best chance - probably her only chance of securing a Brexit deal - is to sign up for the customs union.

10) In its absence, no-deal Brexit is massively in play.

11) But a customs-union Brexit deal would see her Brexiter MPs become incandescent with fury.

12)Labour of course would be on the spot, since its one practical Brexit policy is to stay in the Customs Union.

13) This therefore is May?s Robert Peel moment. She could agree a Customs Union Brexit and get it through Parliament with Labour support - while simultaneously cleaving her own party in two.

14) It is a Customs Union Brexit, or leave the EU without a deal.

15) Which will May choose? Ultimately this is her choice, and hers alone. It is her moment in history.

JohnL

JohnL

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Re: Point 7


She's told Leo Varadkar that she is up for a customs union backstop with no time limit - of course that contradicts other statements by her - but that's Mayism :)


https://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-told-irish-pm-leo-varadkar-brexit-backstop-cant-have-time-limit/

JohnL

JohnL

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Alan Medic Wrote:

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> 15) Which will May choose? Ultimately this is her

> choice, and hers alone. It is her moment in

> history.


I want one May-ment in time

When I'm more than I thought I could be

When all of my dreams are a heartbeat away

And the answers are all up to me?

diable rouge

diable rouge

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May's game plan all along has been contradictory fudge to appease all the varying factions, but with the transition extension she's managed to upset both sides. Up to now her Get Out of Jail card has been that no one wants to be leader until after Brexit, but with David Mince for Brains Davis openly saying certain Cabinet ministers should reign and talk of him being an interim leader, she may not be making that choice...
Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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If there was a challenge to her leadership (I believe 44 out of the required 48 letters have been delivered), she wouldn't stand down. Who could beat her? I think the party is so split between no deal brexiteers, brexiteers who want a deal and remainers or those who want another referendum, she might win it almost by default.
JohnL

JohnL

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Pochettino dives in with his take which is far to sensible :)


'?After two and a half years, I still don?t know if it will be good or bad [for English football],? Pochettino said. ?For me, it?s about applying common sense. If the politicians now realise it [brexit] will be tough and it will be bad for England, why not go back and explain, ?This is what is going to happen to us??


?If not, it?s like doing nothing when you are going to crash [your car]. If I?m going to crash but Jesus [Perez, Tottenham assistant manager] is saying come on, come on, push, faster... No! Stop!'

  • 2 weeks later...
JohnL

JohnL

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Questions now to May if as Home Secretary she blocked a security services investigation into Banks.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/02/theresa-may-arron-banks-leave-eu-campaign-investigation


Allegation comes from the Daily Mail in fact who since the editorial change seem to be mainly anti-brexit (although no doubt have their own agenda)

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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diable rouge Wrote:

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> Where did it all go wrong

> Theresa?...https://twitter.com/brexitbroadcast/sta

> tus/1060116437631680512



That's excellent though the supporting cast mustn't be forgotten. I particularly like this from Raab who I think must be speaking to a class of 6 year olds.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-dominic-raab-trade-eu-france-calais-dover-economy-finance-deal-a8624036.html

malumbu

malumbu

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Funny thing is that Jo Johnson's resignation may have sent a stronger message than 700,000 marching in central London. Boris cleverly manipulated the former. David Davis doesn't have this level of intelligence.


Labour has missed yet another home goal. Maybe a new centrist party may come from disaffected Tory and Labour MPs (although Barry Gardener who I'd like to put in that group wasn't indicating anything like this on the Channel 4 programme). The nationalist elements of Labour and the Tories can merge with UKIP.

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