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[fishbiscuits]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/deep-in-t

> he-heart-of-political-unionism-lies-a-great-fear-o

> f-betrayal-by-london-1.3650620

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> This could change things though I don't know to what.

Article was temporarily interesting, before it descended into biblical claptrap.

[keano77]

I think you and the Guardian are grasping at straws here Rendel. If you were to add up every article, discussion, tweet, text and opinion expressed in the run up to the referendum you?d find every opinion under the Sun was represented from all quarters, US, Russia, Iran, Islamic State, not to mention 27 EU members.

Is social media potentially damaging to democracies? Yes, given that it fragments people into silos and uses algorithms to feed you information it decides you want. If you rely on Twitter, Facebook or the Guardian to get your news you are ill-informed.

What malign forces are encouraging a People?s Vote? Bet you don?t see an article purporting to examine that in the Guardian

[Alan Medic]

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/deep-in-t

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> he-heart-of-political-unionism-lies-a-great-fear-o

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> Article was temporarily interesting, before it

> descended into biblical claptrap.

THe DUP specialise in biblical claptrap.

[JoeLeg]

keano77 Wrote:

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> What malign forces are encouraging a People?s

> Vote? Bet you don?t see an article purporting to

> examine that in the Guardian

So you?re open to the idea that there are ?malign forces? trying to overturn the referendum (entirely possible, although they?re wasting their effort), but not to the chance that Putin decided to stick his oar in somehow?

As I said, naive.

Just because it wasn?t the tipping point, doesn?t mean it didn?t happen. Sure you don?t need me to find you a list of occasions when governments have clandestinely interfered with another nations internal affairs for their own purposes.

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> What malign forces are encouraging a People?s

> Vote? Bet you don?t see an article purporting to

> examine that in the Guardian

Actually Channel 4 (as left/pro EU as you get in the UK) jumped this on @femi_sorry a few weeks ago - as in who is paying for your new shared offices - he admitted it wasn't him obviously.

But if you look at the patrons page - there's a lot of "Rt Hon Lord "

http://www.europeanmovement.co.uk/shared_headquarters

[JohnL]

You all complained when people went through your rubbish bins but now the rubbish sifters have been proved to be economic geniuses and we were just relics. Bin Sifters have the have the full backing of Michael Gove as he says "Hunt for Gold in other peoples rubbish"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/michael-goves-hot-tip-hunt-for-gold-in-others-rubbish-vk60ck53p

[Alan Medic]

Jobs available if you can deal with civil emergencies.

https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jobs.cgi?jcode=1603914

[JohnL]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Jobs available if you can deal with civil

> emergencies.

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> https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jo

> bs.cgi?jcode=1603914

They seem to want excellent administrators rather than a Steven Seagal character to quell these imminent riots :)

[JohnL]

"The diplomat added: ?The truth is? we have clarity now, actually, more clarity than we had in Salzburg. What we have found out in the process leading to this meeting on Wednesday is that it is not going to be so easy to find a deal between the EU and the UK.?

The Prime Minister will once again be barred from the main discussion of Brexit at the summit, and will have to address the 27 leaders ahead of their dinner in a separate room."

It's just ritual humiliation for her.

[keano77]

JohnL Wrote:

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> "The diplomat added: ?The truth is? we have

> clarity now, actually, more clarity than we had in

> Salzburg. What we have found out in the process

> leading to this meeting on Wednesday is that it is

> not going to be so easy to find a deal between the

> EU and the UK.?

>

Translation:

We?ve taken the p*ss a bit too far this time by asking the UK to dismantle itself so that we can keep stuffing our coffers

[diable rouge]

Translation: It won't be long before Brexiteers blame it on the Boogie...:)

[JoeLeg]

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[dbboy]

To put it simply, the people chose and from watching the last two years got it seriously wrong, that's my opinion.

I may be right, I may be wrong, only time will tell, BUT like it or not, the Government is following through on the will of the people. Strangely the UK wasted two years dithering and since Davis and co, quit, it's become a different story. Now don't get me wrong, we are in one heck of a mess, between now and March 2019, it is only going to get worse and worse, and then for the next two years UK plc will not be out of the woods either.

The people made a choice, and that was probably hugely influenced by the issue of immigration, now you have to live with the consequences of June 2016. Why do you think Cameron chucked in the towel, he realised how difficult life in No.10 was about to become and May picked up the poison chalice. How does it effect every household in the UK, with prices slowly but surely continually increasing, so it hits us all in the pocket. Chuck in austerity their for good measure.

Europe is laughing at the UK and rightly so, and guess what, they will continue to do so until this sorry mess is sorted out.

Everyday the news feed continues to be about Brexit, how about the decisions and news about other issues that are quietly going unreported, a great time to push out bad news, because no one is watching. The state marches on.

There even comes a time, when you have to think, will life in a European country be better than life here post Brexit, don't know, but its worth thinking about and even giving it a punt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet those who came here after the Second World War and worked all their lives in and for this country must be wondering, was it worth it with the way UK plc wants to turn its back on Europe, because it wants its freedom and independence. Where have we heard that before???

And the only good news, well bless my soul, Harry (the non Royal) gets Meghan up the duff and we've got to pay for that one as well, another sponger on the state to be paid for, you really couldn't make it up if you tried. Well you could, but that's the UK plc in the 21st Century, nearly alone, nearly outcast and nearly bust.

[keano77]

Cheer up dbboy, things aren?t that bad.

You mentioned

?...Europe is laughing at the UK and rightly so, and guess what, they will continue to do so until this sorry mess is sorted out...?

Three points here:

Literature often portrays people who laugh at fools as the foolish ones - the fool is the one with wisdom.

An example of the above is the (preposterous, totally unacceptable) back up to the back up in perpetuity/ border in the Irish Sea. If the EU doesn?t drop this absurd demand there?ll be a no-deal and guess what - the hard border they are pretending to prevent will then necessarily have to be imposed by the EU. Makes Shakespeare?s Feste in Twelfth Night look like the wise King Solomon.

It?s not in the EU?s interest to sort this out favourably or otherwise. They want to keep us tied (kerching kerching) otherwise the house of cards will fall. Italexit anyone?

[Alan Medic]

keano77 Wrote:

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> An example of the above is the (preposterous,

> totally unacceptable) back up to the back up in

> perpetuity/ border in the Irish Sea. If the EU

> doesn?t drop this absurd demand there?ll be a

> no-deal and guess what - the hard border they are

> pretending to prevent will then necessarily have

> to be imposed by the EU. Makes Shakespeare?s Feste

> in Twelfth Night look like the wise King Solomon.

Guess you'd be suprised then if the backstop to the backstop was a UK idea.

[JohnL]

"The Prime Minister will once again be barred from the main discussion of Brexit at the summit, and will have to address the 27 leaders ahead of their dinner in a separate room."

When I quoted the above I thought the "their dinner" was a typo.

It's not - she isn't allowed to have dinner with the rest - she has to give her presentation and head off (to the servants quarters for some sandwiches maybe).

[JohnL]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> > An example of the above is the (preposterous,

> > totally unacceptable) back up to the back up in

> > perpetuity/ border in the Irish Sea. If the EU

> > doesn?t drop this absurd demand there?ll be a

> > no-deal and guess what - the hard border they

> are

> > pretending to prevent will then necessarily

> have

> > to be imposed by the EU. Makes Shakespeare?s

> Feste

> > in Twelfth Night look like the wise King

> Solomon.

>

> Guess you'd be suprised then if the backstop to

> the backstop was a UK idea.

She aigned that backstop proposal back in December when she was desperate to move on to "Phase 2" of the talks remember. Everybody at the time said it was a huge fudge and guess what ? If you sign something then it's in the agreement and that's what the EU are saying.

I also notice Spreadsheet Phil has said in the event of a "No Deal" we still have to pay 30 Billion of the 39 Billion divorce bill.

[diable rouge]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Guess you'd be suprised then if the backstop to

> the backstop was a UK idea.

Never fear, Kate Hoey's here!

Her solution is for Ireland to give up it's sovereignty and become a British colony...

If a backstop is such a good idea to sort the border issue why do we not go for a backstop around the entire British Isles then Irish Republic can be part of it too

A sort of reverse Brexit (Irexit) to achieve Brexit.

Yep, she's as thick as she looks...:)

[JoeLeg]

I really try hard not to actively hate people, as it?s such a waste of energy, but Kate Hoey is such an unpleasant individual, actively abusing her position, that she really makes me fume.

[rendelharris]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> I really try hard not to actively hate people, as

> it?s such a waste of energy, but Kate Hoey is such

> an unpleasant individual, actively abusing her

> position, that she really makes me fume.

Just give her your contempt - one of my favourite quotes from Casablanca: "You despise me, don't you Rick?" "Well I probably would if I gave it any thought."

She is a pretty unpleasant character though I agree, a bigoted right-wing libertarian somehow still hypocritically drawing down a very nice wage as a Labour MP.

[keano77]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> > I really try hard not to actively hate people,

> as

> > it?s such a waste of energy, but Kate Hoey is

> such

> > an unpleasant individual, actively abusing her

> > position, that she really makes me fume.

>

> Just give her your contempt - one of my favourite

> quotes from Casablanca: "You despise me, don't you

> Rick?" "Well I probably would if I gave it any

> thought."

>

> She is a pretty unpleasant character though I

> agree, a bigoted right-wing libertarian somehow

> still hypocritically drawing down a very nice wage

> as a Labour MP.

Please explain further, why is she unpleasant etc?

[dbboy]

how can she be right wing in a Party, that is by all intents and purpose the most left wing its ever been, and probably verging on being Marxist and communist with Momentum, if that is actually possible with Mcdonnel and Corbyn.

[JoeLeg]

keano77 Wrote:

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> > She is a pretty unpleasant character though I

> > agree, a bigoted right-wing libertarian somehow

> > still hypocritically drawing down a very nice

> wage

> > as a Labour MP.

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> Please explain further, why is she unpleasant etc?

Speaking for myself, my biggest problem with her is that she has loudly and vitriolicly decried any Remain supporting Labour MP representing a Leave constituency that even thought about opposing Brexit, while she herself represents an area that voted Remain but she feels free to ignore her own constituents.

She is a hypocrite of the highest order. She has no desire to win consensus, she is an example of those left-wingers who think that because they are left-wing they couldn?t possibly be autocratic or dictatorial. She routinely ignores those who voted for her and is only interested in pursuing a hard Brexit. At least Frank Field has some honour, Hoey cares only for herself. If she had any honour she would resign the Labour whip, force and by-election and stand as an independent and see if they really want her, but she likes the power too much (though nothing new there with politicians).

She is also not particularly gay-friendly, which is abhorrent in this day and age. She only voted in favour of same sex marriage because it would?ve been political suicode not to. Ask Stonewall what they think of her if you don?t believe me...just one of several outdated attitudes she holds.

There are many honourable Labour MP?s who support Brexit that are trying to build consensus and work towards a solution for the whole nation. She is not one of them.

[diable rouge]

David Allen Green right on the money again about Brexiter's hypocrisy...

Pro-Brexit politicians who say UK voters must be held to their decision in the 2016 referendum say..

..that they themselves should not be held to their decisions to accept the backstop in December 2017 and March 2018 because they were "misled".

[JohnL]

I feel really down about Brexit today. Theresa May being more or less ignored brings home what the future of this country is likely to be, UK flag removed from the EU ones in Brussels (I think - I looked for it), French Minister replying "well you voted for it" when the word "blockade" is mentioned, BBC interviewing only hard leavers.

It's as if we're being prepared for wartime conditions.

The march on Saturday will be ignored by the media even if we get 200,000.