Brexit View

[flocker spotter]

Captain Marvel Wrote:

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> We are good at satellites and a satnav network

> could make GBUK a lot of money and employ a lot of

> people

indeed- we already have a place at the table wrt this arena- except we now have to jostle to become a supplier to the industry and will have to compete as an outsider. The EU is a NeoLiberal capitalist construct alongside whatever else it may be - in purely pragmatic terms- and dispensing with any theoretical and abstract politicking , it is always better to be in a monolithic bloc than be outside it- as much as it pains me to rationalise it in purely monetary terms.

[flocker spotter]

Still, we are going cap in hand to the former colonies for favours now with a few quid in export guarantees and BOGOFFs on offer to buy our limited range of shoddy goods. Do Africa need horrendous landrovers? outside cozy happy valley outposts, toyota is king for a reason. This is what it has come to - the UK is on the back foot and will not get an easy ride on the coattails of empire and up against a wall of chinese free cash.The mawkish gladhanding by the UKG in the continent is a perfect PR oppertunity to be taken advantage of by the African nations involved- and quite rightly so. The favours owing balance is firmly on the side of the former colonies and it is insulting and patronising that we think we have an angle to adopt here, based of a couple of centuries of rapacious exploitation.

The massed ranks of gammonati will be more than pleased that visa and access opportunities that will invariably result from this will potentially massively change the immigration profile of the UK over the next decade or two.

yeah but

[malumbu]

Was in Nigeria 30 years ago and the roads were full of Peugeots - we've missed that boat I expect. Even Iran has discontinued the Hillman Hunter. Although with sanctions could make a good strategic partner... I suppose we could outsource too

[diable rouge]

Unseen photo reveals real reason why David 'Thick as Mince' Davis failed to deliver on Brexit negotiations...

*Zippos' talent spotter perks up...*

[flocker spotter]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Was in Nigeria 30 years ago and the roads were

> full of Peugeots - we've missed that boat I

> expect. Even Iran has discontinued the Hillman

> Hunter. Although with sanctions could make a good

> strategic partner... I suppose we could outsource

> too

https://www.pulse.ng/gist/pop-culture/the-peugeot-504-was-the-official-car-of-nigerias-middle-class-id7893112.html

[malumbu]

Please don't answer just with a link. Please give some views. By all means have a link. I Just find it so rude/ignorant/lazy without any explanation or interpretation and dumbing down of society. Even my good friend DR is doing this.

Many thanks.

(these geeky people agree with me, albeit a rather esoteric site https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8231/are-answers-that-just-contain-links-elsewhere-really-good-answers/8259)

[diable rouge]

Brexit isn't the dog's wotsits, so take Fido and Fifi along to the wooferendum walk, Sunday 7th Oct... https://www.wooferendum.org/the-march/

Walkies not porkies.

Warning: Site may contain pawlitical puns...

[flocker spotter]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Please don't answer just with a link. Please give

> some views. By all means have a link. I Just

> find it so rude/ignorant/lazy without any

> explanation or interpretation and dumbing down of

> society. Even my good friend DR is doing this.

>

> Many thanks.

>

> (these geeky people agree with me, albeit a rather

> esoteric site

> https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8231/are-

> answers-that-just-contain-links-elsewhere-really-g

> ood-answers/8259)

no

[malumbu]

You've missed the k and the b

Here's a link that explains it https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Knob

[flocker spotter]

boresville grandad.

[JohnL]

malumbu Wrote:

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> You've missed the k and the b

>

> Here's a link that explains it

> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kn

> ob

LOL - I never had knob down as an obnoxious person - more a loud mouthed fool

[malumbu]

Are we now on Project Fear Mark 3 after publication of the no deal plans https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/uk_leaves_the_eu

And Mark Carney PFIV on property market crashing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/uk_leaves_the_eu

However it is the Biased Broadcasting Association

Do I get a job as a hack for a black top tabloid?

[cella]

No idea what you're on about as per but no.

[malumbu]

Once upon a time in a universe far far away there was a referendum to join the dark side. The dark leaders of the intergalactic media called the light side's attempt to draw people away from the dark side as Project Fear.

So the people of this far away world said yes, we want to join the dark side. The several suns still shone in the mornings and the intergalactic Lords ridiculed the the white side for their pessimistic predictions.

And then the white side started getting worried as the storm troopers were keeping Princess Msy as a hostage in particular a nasty slobby creature called Johnson the Hutt. And Johsnon the Hutt went 'ho ho' you were wrong before, and had a jolly good laugh.

But then the dark side started to tell the people what could really happen.

And they all lived happily ever after in Far Far Away Land. Well it all became rather difficult but they were free from the awful outsiders.

What happened to all the interesting discussion? What has happened to this site?? Cella if you aint got anything constructive to say then Hutt out.

[JohnL]

I don't think anybody knows what the government is trying to do except keep people quiet at the moment - Leaks say Carney is saying one thing to the cabinet then it's leaked he says another and none of it makes much sense at all.

"Theresa May?s blueprint for Brexit could give the economy a ?16bn boost if the prime minister reaches a deal with Brussels"

A ?16Bn boost compared to what ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mark-carney-theresa-may-chequers-no-deal-16bn-brexit-a8538906.html

[cella]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Once upon a time in a universe far far away there

> was a referendum to join the dark side. The dark

> leaders of the intergalactic media called the

> light side's attempt to draw people away from the

> dark side as Project Fear.

>

> So the people of this far away world said yes, we

> want to join the dark side. The several suns

> still shone in the mornings and the intergalactic

> Lords ridiculed the the white side for their

> pessimistic predictions.

>

> And then the white side started getting worried as

> the storm troopers were keeping Princess Msy as a

> hostage in particular a nasty slobby creature

> called Johnson the Hutt. And Johsnon the Hutt

> went 'ho ho' you were wrong before, and had a

> jolly good laugh.

>

> But then the dark side started to tell the people

> what could really happen.

>

> And they all lived happily ever after in Far Far

> Away Land. Well it all became rather difficult

> but they were free from the awful outsiders.

>

> What happened to all the interesting discussion?

> What has happened to this site?? Cella if you

> aint got anything constructive to say then Hutt

> out.

No idea what Hutt is and you always talk in nursery rhymes or use ridiculous 1970s "humour" - just give an opinion - so tedious.

[diable rouge]

Forget about all the soundbites, Brexit is ultimately a legal process. This by @davidallengreen sums up where we are from a legal perspective...

On 29 March 2019, the UK will cease to be a party to the EU treaties, by automatic operation of law.

For that to happen, nothing else needs to be done.

No deal is needed.

No decision is needed.

No vote, by anyone or anything, is needed.

UK is on a conveyor belt, and 29 March 2019 is when we tip off the edge.

There are three legal routes to the UK not departing the EU on 29 March 2019.

None of these routes seem to be a realistic option.

No senior politician or decision-maker in UK or EU27 is currently promoting any of these three routes.

The first route is that a new exit date is agreed, as part of an exit deal agreed before 29 March 2019.

The second route is that UK and EU27 agree for an extension of the two year A50 period.

The third route is that the A50 notification is revoked, and that Brexit is - in effect - cancelled.

None of these are in sight, though this may of course change.

But: time is running out.

There is now (IMO) not enough time for primary legislation similar to the Referendum Act 2015 to pass before March and for there to be a new referendum. The last Act took about a year, from beginning to end.

There is nothing wrong in sincere attempts to "stop Brexit" by a further referendum, but there has to come a time where the advocates of such a further referendum have to accept there is not enough time to put one in place before March.

In UK, the government and its backbenchers are in a scrap about the "Chequers" proposal.

But there is little in that proposal which goes to the exit deal - it is mainly about the UK-EU relationship deal after exit.

The main issue between UK and EU now is the Northern Irish backstop.

This can be addressed before next March so that there can be an exit deal, but there will have to be some movement and fudge.

The UK government, however, is not helping itself by idiotic threats to renege on issues already agreed in principle.

Makes agreement harder, as it destroys trust.

The UK government is also preparing for "no deal" more than it seems to be preparing for the shape of any ongoing relationship.

In effect, little constructive thought is going into what happens next, after Brexit takes place.

Domestically, a significant number of people (on both "sides") are forever re-fighting the referendum campaign.

Like some historical re-enactment society.

Other people are denying the possibility of a further vote (either by referendum or by parliament) on the basis that the 2016 vote was binding.

It was not: any democracy can change its mind, at any point.

A further vote is impracticable, but it is not "undemocratic".

And the UK and EU have spent 18 months of time and resources simply to keep things the same.

Both the exit deal and the "Withdrawal Act" are complex exercises in continuity - attempts to carry on just as before as much as possible after March 2019

Almost nobody, any where, is thinking constructively about the post-Brexit relationship.

Almost everybody's minds are elsewhere: denying, objecting, campaigning, insulting, or working to keep things the same.

An extraordinary spectacle on the eve of the UK's departure.

Perhaps the folly of doing Brexit in this way means that, before March 2019, Brexit implodes under the pressure of its own absurdity and the lack of real preparation or thought.

We will be saved by some wonderful bell.

Meanwhile EU27 brace themselves for UK's departure, some with sadness, some with a wince, and some with little more than a shrug.

There is no reason for EU27 to save UK from the consequences of its own sovereign decisions.

For them, Brexit means Brexit.

And that is where we are with Brexit.

[flocker spotter]

boring

what about Victoria beckham at London fashion week - now thats important stuff

[Jenny1]

I'd read those sensible thoughts from David Allen Green as well Diable Rouge. He's certainly one of the best commentators on Brexit out there.

I think one of the key issues blinding people to the enormity of what's going on is the gap between how May appears, and the reality of what's happening. She has the air of a solid, reliable type who could be trusted with organising a church fete. In fact she's an immensely weak figure-head whose apparent homely common sense is masking the extreme madness of current politics.

[flocker spotter]

may is an uninspired administrator- brexit is an administrative task at its root. She should be in her element.

The current malaise is nothing to do with brexit, it is just a manifestation of the utterly corrupt & blatantly transparent self serving interests of our so worthy elected elite.Al of them, across all parties. Witness the sickening opportunism of the lib dem scum - having willingly facilitated this mess ( amongst others things), now angling for another go at power and trying to forget about recent history.How do they look at themselves in the mirror each day ?

a banquet of undercooked offal will always turn the stomach, whatever colour bow tie the waiter is wearing.that is why people no longer have much of an appetite for the a la carte menu.

A Sickening spectacle

[robbin]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Forget about all the soundbites, Brexit is

> ultimately a legal process. This by

> @davidallengreen sums up where we are from a legal

> perspective...

>

> Are you kidding me - most of the musings from DAG are in the nature of soundbites!

[diable rouge]

robbin Wrote:

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> > Are you kidding me - most of the musings from

> DAG are in the nature of soundbites!

Tis the nature of Twitter to write concisely and punchy, however a soundbite is actually a phrase extracted from a speech/article and oft repeated e.g. Brexit means Brexit, Will of the People etc...

[robbin]

I thought the nature of Twitter was people writing narcissistic and/or self-serving (and generally meaningless) drivel in the mistaken, but certain belief that anyone else gives a t*ss!

Btw, I can't see how that blurb was written on Twitter - isn't the maximum character limit about 280 - that article is well over 10 times that.

[Jenny1]

robbin Wrote:

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>

> Btw, I can't see how that blurb was written on

> Twitter - isn't the maximum character limit about

> 280 - that article is well over 10 times that.

It's an article composed of a number of tweets forming a thread.

[robbin]

Wait until Trump figures out he can do that!