flocker spotter Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I think there is some overlap, but the TR issue is overhyped. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_b Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 flocker spotter Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Whilst we fret about our avocado smash supplies> and finding a new aupair, many, many decent people> who have no faith in the gerrymandered political> system any longer are up against it on a daily> basis & our catcalls of ignorant racist and bigot> are hardly likely to build any support in the> short term.I fret about where we'll replace 11% of the UK tax take when the financial services industry is decimated by Brexit. Or how we'll keep the integrated supply chains operating across The Channel for our aerospace or automotive sectors. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 The lords amendment that might get through today is the "meaningful vote"Justine Greening with the rebels now on top of the minister that resigned this morning and Dominic Grieve has tabled a compromise amendment but the government through DD refusing to accept.Soubry (the main rebel along with Clarke) says death threats have been made ""Ms Soubry says the current environment means one MP had to attend a public meeting accompanied by six armed police officers. "This has to stop," she says. " Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLeg Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 flocker spotter Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I know its loltastic and shizzle, but> underestimate the stubborn fury of out of London> leave voters* at your peril - this isn't going to> go away and many would like to see it enacted> irrespective of cost and impact. London is the> mega city one to their cursed earth - there is> nothing they would like more than to teach it a> lesson. things are arguably grimmer up north than> they have been since the last century.> > Whilst we fret about our avocado smash supplies> and finding a new aupair, many, many decent people> who have no faith in the gerrymandered political> system any longer are up against it on a daily> basis & our catcalls of ignorant racist and bigot> are hardly likely to build any support in the> short term.> > the EDF can be a bit of a echo chamber sometimes.> > * and I didn't use the gammon word either, as it> pretty offensive apparently. rofl.You?re right about all of that and I?ve been saying it for some time. However...Quite a few of those problems are NOTHING to do with the EU, but rather a political system designed to give the impression of control by the voting public while really being nothing of the kind. Yes, many many people have been screwed over, but Europe is not always the reason. Note I say ?not always?. I agree the EU has a lot of problems, but a lot of those who voted Leave are now often expecting some kind of utopian deliverance. When nothing really changes in their day-to-day lives, who will they blame?An awful lot of what is wrong with us, we did to ourselves. Also, Leave voters need to recognise that there ARE those who voted that way because of bigoted reasons. Not many, I?m sure, but they shout the loudest in debates and drown out a lot of reasonable voices. Pretending there are no racist Leave voters is like pretending there are no Remainers who believe all Leavers are racist. Twats on both sides are still stifling sensible debate.And yes, the EDF is an echo chamber at times. So are all those little towns outside London where they hate us and the EU.We need to start talking more. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siduhe Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 JohnL Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Oh I like those stamps - hope they're real :)They appear to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44448061 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny1 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 JoeLeg Wrote:------------------------------------------------------> When nothing really changes in their> day-to-day lives, who will they blame?But their lives will change. They'll get worse. What will they do then? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Looks like there's a deal - but it's one you know May will twist.5A and 5B of the Grieve amendment and talks on 5C - to be introduced in the Lords (allows parliament to direct after a specific date). Why not just vote for the Grieve amendment rebels - you can't trust this government. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Sarah Wollaston "the promised further amendment in the lords must closely reflect Dominic Grieve'a amendment (or the lords likely to bring that forward for themselves & for that to be passed)"If this is a charade - That's twice the governments fooled them : Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice .. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbin Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Damn, I just spilt my coffee while trying to stifle a yawn... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Sorry for waking you up Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Apparently there were 15+ Tory 'rebels'. Enough to have changed the result. Kicking the can down the road. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 That'll be a can of the fudgiest fudge.If rumours of May's concession are true, No Deal Brexit now dead in the water. I think we'll end up with an EEA deal, forever in limbo until we decode to rejoin...without the current benefits. Will be interesting to see how the Mogglodytes respond...ETA: Just to clarify, I was referring to May using No Deal as an option/threat to the EU in negotiations. No Deal could still happen as it's the default option on Brexit Day should the EU and UK not arrive at any deal by then. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Getting tasty this evening, DExEU released a contentious statement about the concession, one of the rebels' response is ''If she f**ks us, she's f**ked''...:) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Isn't No Deal a distinct possibility as there is no way of resolving the Irish border question without going back of their word or upsetting the DUP?Mind you I'm still hoping the whole thing will collapse a bit like a game of Jenga. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 ''If she f**ks us, she's f**ked''.It's like something from a Quentin Tarantino film. Of course if she f**ks them she's f**ked. She's f**ked whatever.The UK hasn't planned for a no deal so it would totally broadside us .. but I hope the Express and Sun sink first before the rest of us :( Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Alan Medic Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Isn't No Deal a distinct possibility as there is> no way of resolving the Irish border question> without going back of their word or upsetting the> DUP?Absolutely, but May using ''No Deal is better than a bad deal'' as a threat to the EU in negotiations would be a non-starter if the Tory rebels get their way, which I'm sure they will.The EEA option supposedly solves the Irish border conundrum, hence why I think May will eventually have to backtrack on one of her red lines e.g. not staying in the Customs Union. > Mind you I'm still hoping the whole thing will> collapse a bit like a game of Jenga.Personally, even a soft Brexit like the EEA option is still Brexit and bad for the economy and country as a whole, so I'd also prefer to see the whole thing come tumbling down. Ironically that could happen if No Deal was the only thing left on the table after negotiations. It would get vetoed by Parliament, and then a full-blown constitutional crisis develops. That could lead to the People's Vote idea, but would there be enough time, ditto another General Election? So there might only be time to revoke or ask for an extension to A50. And why would the EU extend it knowing that our only other option is to revoke it? Would they want to spend more time and money on further negotiations with such a shambolic/dysfunctional country? Ditto, are there enough Brextremists to torpedo the EEA option or any other deal that doesn't meet with their ideology? Would the EEA or another option pass Labour's 6 tests? Unlikely as one of the tests is that a deal must have the ''exact same benefits''. I can't see any deal in the short time we have left would provide that.The more you dig, the bigger the clusterfuck becomes... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 JohnL Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> ''If she f**ks us, she's f**ked''.> > It's like something from a Quentin Tarantino film.> Of course if she f**ks them she's f**ked. > She's f**ked whatever.> > The UK hasn't planned for a no deal so it would> totally broadside us .. but I hope the Express and> Sun sink first before the rest of us :(In the interest of balance...:)Senior Brexiter: ?If Theresa and Julian have sold us out here they are in real trouble. She reassured us all at the 1922. There is no way she can recover if she has now f**ked us over.? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Guy, are you on a wind up.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-nigel-farage-putin-cheerleader-eu-russia-guy-verhofstadt-erdogan-a8396476.html Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 diable rouge Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> JohnL Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > ''If she f**ks us, she's f**ked''.> > > > It's like something from a Quentin Tarantino> film.> > Of course if she f**ks them she's f**ked. > > She's f**ked whatever.> > > > The UK hasn't planned for a no deal so it would> > totally broadside us .. but I hope the Express> and> > Sun sink first before the rest of us :(> > > In the interest of balance...:)> > Senior Brexiter: ?If Theresa and Julian have sold> us out here they are in real trouble. She> reassured us all at the 1922. There is no way she> can recover if she has now f**ked us over.?The thick of it :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The stars are aligned for conflict it seems."PMQs was plunged into chaos after SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford was kicked out for repeatedly challenging Speaker John Bercow.MPs from the party walked out of the question session in protest, with many shouting as they left.Blackford called for the Commons to sit in private when he was called to ask a question during the weekly PMQs session." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diable rouge Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Scots are revolting...:) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 diable rouge Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The Scots are revolting...:)They're not that bad! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Anna Soubry "Chuka and I are looking at what the future brings"aww Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1254682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Theresa - There is no Brexit Dividend and if there was you spent it 4 times already including on a huge satellite array to do GPS Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1255655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Tomorrow will be interesting in the HOC after yesterday's HOL vote.This was a pretty low tweet from Patel @pritipatel4pm 17h17 hours ago MoreDominic Grieve's mother was French and he was educated at the Lyc?e Fran?ais Charles de Gaulle school in South Kensington, a school wholly owned by the French Government. He's a Frenchmen, with a British passport.Don't let this Frenchman stop Brexit Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/157024-brexit-view/page/54/#findComment-1255825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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