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keano77

keano77

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Awaiting further details of her call with Boris Johnson this morning.


Early reports are Merkel said if Germany wanted to leave the EU they could but Britain would need to leave Northern Ireland behind undern EU rules and the Republic of Ireland would have a say if NI could leave.


I emphasise early reports which need clarification.

keano77

keano77

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She?s put her foot in it because she has said, intentionally or otherwise


We Germany could leave the EU because nobody could stop us. We can put up borders because nobody can stop us.


You U.K. can?t leave the EU because we can stop you. Further, one of our smallest members with barely 5 million people can hold you U.K. with nearly 70 million people hostage.


So much for your recent Supreme Court nonsense of Parliamentary Supremacy. We, the EU, will tell you what to do.


(More details of the Johnson/Merkel phone call here https://news.sky.com/story/angela-merkel-tells-pm-brexit-deal-overwhelmingly-unlikely-11830601

keano77

keano77

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She might have just given Boris the loophole he?s been looking for.


He should go go to the Supreme Court now and argue there?s no point asking for an extension because the U.K. can never leave the EU unless it constitutionally tears itself apart.


That?ll get the white flag wavers frothing at the mouth

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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Brexit is problematic because of what it is and what it means logistically - not because of remainers, the EU or anyone else


Too many people who voted to leave have changed their minds for the 17m number to have any validity especially given the turmoil leaving with no deal with cause


It has zero legitimacy. It doesn't need proceeding with - it needs to be stopped

stepdown

stepdown

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keano77 Wrote:

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> He should go go to the Supreme Court now and argue

> there?s no point asking for an extension because

> the U.K. can never leave the EU unless it

> constitutionally tears itself apart.


Wait... you think the Supreme Court can overturn an Act of Parliament?

keano77

keano77

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stepdown Wrote:

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> keano77 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > He should go go to the Supreme Court now and

> argue

> > there?s no point asking for an extension

> because

> > the U.K. can never leave the EU unless it

> > constitutionally tears itself apart.

>

> Wait... you think the Supreme Court can overturn

> an Act of Parliament?


No stepdown. However if certain stipulations within an Act are ?void due to impossibility? then the SC could agree that is the case.


My point is although the concept is mainly to do with Contract Law, the purpose of ?forcing? the PM to write a letter requesting an extension under the Surrender/Capitulation/Humiliation Act is to prevent the U.K. leaving without a deal.


However, if Merkel?s words are as reported (and that is being questioned) then the U.K. (as an indivisible entity) can never leave.


Thus, there is no point in requesting an extension. An extension to what. The U.K. is trapped in the EU and can never leave. It can only leave if it jettisons NI and if it did that it would no longer be the U.K.


In short, Boris would not be breaking the law because it would be impossible for a PM of the U.K. to obey it.


(Can I get away with that argument M?Lud?)

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Keano - that's absolute bobbins

>

> What she is saying is that "if we, Germany decide

> to leave the eu, we could without the problems the

> UK has"

>

> Not because the EU is forbidding them - but

> because of UK claim to Ireland. Germany doesn't

> have that. Thats' the comparison


I'm surprised you even believe what a source from No.10 said. It's probably Cummings. I really don't buy the shit coming out of Downing Street.

uncleglen

uncleglen

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there will never be any agreement between the EU and the UK's Brexit because everything the UK wants from Brexit is NOT

allowed under the rules of the EU. Now Merkel is trying to stir up trouble by saying that NI should stay in the EU customs union....sneaky or what?

Brexit is making the EU machine face up to the fact that it is rubbish and does the poor people of the richer countries no good at all..the EU is a massive social and wealth distribution experiment but unfortunately it is the poorer people of the UK who have suffered most - but the majority of people of ED, and other well-off suburbs would not understand that as they have benefited greatly from the whole deal and expressed themselves with their over-privileged verbosity at every opportunity.

diable rouge

diable rouge

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Alan Medic Wrote:

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> I'm surprised you even believe what a source from

> No.10 said. It's probably Cummings. I really don't

> buy the shit coming out of Downing Street.


The problem is overly keen 'journalists' report this nonsense in order to get a scoop, without checking accuracy, legitimacy and applying any semblance of critical thought. They are useful idiots, being played, nothing more than propaganda conduits. Expect more of the same tactic until journalists start naming these 'sources'...

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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there will never be any agreement between the EU and the UK's Brexit because everything the UK wants from Brexit is NOT

allowed under the rules of the EU.


Everything? really?


Now Merkel is trying to stir up trouble by saying that NI should stay in the EU customs union....sneaky or what?


Not sneaky and not new - just the same fact that has always been true that England doesn't want to address



Brexit is making the EU machine face up to the fact that it is rubbish


you have lost your mind - poor people exist in NI and Scotland as well you know - they haven't voted for this shitshow

JohnL

JohnL

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uncleglen Wrote:

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> Brexit is making the EU machine face up to the

> fact that it is rubbish and does the poor people

> of the richer countries no good at all..the EU is

> a massive social and wealth distribution

> experiment but unfortunately it is the poorer


No that's Austerity

Hemingway

Hemingway

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uncleglen Wrote:

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it is the poorer

> people of the UK who have suffered most - but the

> majority of people of ED, and other well-off

> suburbs would not understand that as they have

> benefited greatly from the whole deal and

> expressed themselves with their over-privileged

> verbosity at every opportunity.


48% is not a metropolitan elite, just another cliched piece of bullshit from Brexiters. There's no substance just crap unconvincing cliches, deep in their hearts I think they know it too.

stepdown

stepdown

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keano77 Wrote:

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> In short, Boris would not be breaking the law

> because it would be impossible for a PM of the

> U.K. to obey it.


Only, it isn't. Even if we accept "the purpose" of the act is as you say, nothing you raised impacts his ability to comply with the law.



uncleglen Wrote:

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> expressed themselves with their over-privileged

> verbosity at every opportunity.


The irony of this as a closing statement.

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