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Sue

Sue

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DulwichFox Wrote:

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> https://www.facebook.com/100004443780926/posts/130

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> > 1390650019049/

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> Cannot read that.. Do not have a Facebook account.

> so cannot open link



See the attached photo :)

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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"We should have taken the deal then,"


it was a very bad deal (all brexit deals are) and would have led to all manner of problems


Checking with the country to see if they have changed their mind is the only grown up thing to do - staying in is by some distance the best deal and I think enough people know that now

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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I started listening to Iain Dale on LBC last night and realised I have just had enough of listening to people who are pro Brexit. I switched over. Getting to the end of my resistance. Part of me just wants to see certain people try and explain away the shit when it hits the fan.
JohnL

JohnL

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snowy Wrote:

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> The ComRes didn't actually report that people were

> in favour - they just interpreted the data to meet

> their own agenda.

>

> They also had dreadful Q1 results and put lots of

> people at risk of redundancy last month - hence

> their leap to populist



The Guardian has managed to put up a little article about polling today - totally coincidental of course.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/13/political-poll-results-polling-industry-data

snowy

snowy

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JohnL Wrote:

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> snowy Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > The ComRes didn't actually report that people

> were

> > in favour - they just interpreted the data to

> meet

> > their own agenda.

> >

> > They also had dreadful Q1 results and put lots

> of

> > people at risk of redundancy last month - hence

> > their leap to populist

>

>

> The Guardian has managed to put up a little

> article about polling today - totally coincidental

> of course.

>

> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug

> /13/political-poll-results-polling-industry-data


ha, probably as they're on twitter reading the Ipsos Mori responses:

pk

pk

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Hemingway Wrote:

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> Makes me laugh all this wailing now a all those

> MPs, Labour, LDs, Green (1) who voted against

> May's WA are complicit if we get No Deal. We

> should have taken the deal then, is about good as

> we'll get.


it's weird what some people find funny

diable rouge

diable rouge

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Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Getting to the end of my resistance. Part of me

> just wants to see certain people try and explain

> away the shit when it hits the fan.


I have long felt that in order to fully exorcise Brexit once and for all, No Deal has to happen, otherwise there will always be the blame game, ''We didn't get a clean Brexit'' etc etc, and as you say let them own their shit and explain it away. But the damage it would cause at home and abroad, socially and economically, is too great to not and try to resist it. Feck 'em.


Going back to Hemingway's last post, I have no issue with Remain MPs who voted against the WA, they have done it with good intentions, the politicians I have come to despise are the Rudds and Hancocks who in the space of days have gone from saying how bad No Deal would be to saying it'll be ok, for no other reason than pursuing their own political careers. It's these people that if No Deal happens will have a special place in Hell...

Hemingway

Hemingway

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Sephiroth Wrote:


> Checking with the country to see if they have

> changed their mind is the only grown up thing to

> do - staying in is by some distance the best deal

> and I think enough people know that now



It may be - but the Tories are never going to do this and with Corbyn up top nor are Labour. The rest haven't got the numbers. I also think you're very optimistic on the 'enough people' looking at the polls and voting intentions. I think we're pretty much where we were.

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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"their rejection of May's deal is why we are where we are."


But that rejection is simply a refelection of how ill-defined "Brexit" is


You might think that May's deal is some kind of compromise that would be a foundation for a way forward - but it would have been a house built on sand


Complaining about a no deal AND about the state of May's deal are in no way incompatible positions - both were and are awful ideas. There are other ways forward but noone wants to grasp that nettle

Hemingway

Hemingway

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pk Wrote:

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> Hemingway Wrote:

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> > Just a wry smile at those moaning

> > about the calamitous effects of a 'no deal'

> when

> > their rejection of May's deal is why we are

> where

> > we are.

>

> no it's not


If the WA had been voted through we wouldn't now being facing no deal.

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