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[stringvest]

At the time of sentencing there WAS a delay/question mark over it as to the European Human Rights Law .. I am not going mad or making it up.

The European court reiterated that the European Convention did not prohibit the imposition of a life sentence on those convicted of especially serious crimes, such as murder. However, to be compatible with the convention there had to be both a prospect of release for the prisoner and a possibility of review of their sentence.

The court considered that the UK courts had dispelled the lack of clarity in the domestic law on the review of life sentences. The discrepancy identified in a previous ECtHR judgment2 between the law and the published official UK policy had notably been resolved by the UK Court of Appeal in a ruling affirming the statutory duty of the Secretary of State for Justice to exercise the power of release for life prisoners in such a way that it was compatible with the European Convention.

The European court highlighted the important role of the Human Rights Act, pointing out that any criticism of the domestic system on the review of whole life sentences was countered by the HRA as

it required that the power of release be exercised and that the relevant legislation be interpreted and applied in a Convention-compliant way.

The court therefore concluded that whole life sentences in the United Kingdom could now be regarded as compatible with Article 3 of the European Convention.

THANK-YOU.

[JoeLeg]

Have you actually read what you posted?

It seems to somewhat contradict your argument that there was a problem in the first place.

You just want to be angry...

[stringvest]

Hello. Im not angry at all. I am not very pleased at being called a liar though. I am happily corrected, or will admit to being wrong, unlike some people.

Here is another article .... saying it was delayed ... perhaps its "fake news" ???

How sentencing of Rigby's killers WAS DELAYED until British judges defied European court to declare 'life means life'

ECHR had said whole-life tariffs with no right of review were unlawful

But senior British judges defied this last week, opening decision to judge

Michael Adebolajo, 29, was given whole-life term for Lee Rigby's murder

But Michael Adebowale, 22, was jailed for life with minimum of 45 years

By MARK DUELL

PUBLISHED: 19:47, 26 February 2014 | UPDATED: 19:34, 27 February 2014

The sentencing of Lee Rigby?s murderers WAS DELAYED until today after Strasbourg judges had said that whole-life tariffs with no right of review were unlawful.

THANKS AGAIN. PEACE TO ALL !

[stringvest]

thanks to the others who explained about the expiry of the franchises etc ...

[rendelharris]

stringvest Wrote:

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> Hello. Im not angry at all. I am not very pleased

> at being called a liar though. I am happily

> corrected, or will admit to being wrong, unlike

> some people.

> Here is another article .... saying it was delayed

> ... perhaps its "fake news" ???

>

> How sentencing of Rigby's killers WAS DELAYED

> until British judges defied European court to

> declare 'life means life'

> ECHR had said whole-life tariffs with no right of

> review were unlawful

> But senior British judges defied this last week,

> opening decision to judge

> Michael Adebolajo, 29, was given whole-life term

> for Lee Rigby's murder

> But Michael Adebowale, 22, was jailed for life

> with minimum of 45 years

> By MARK DUELL

> PUBLISHED: 19:47, 26 February 2014 | UPDATED:

> 19:34, 27 February 2014

> The sentencing of Lee Rigby?s murderers WAS

> DELAYED until today after Strasbourg judges had

> said that whole-life tariffs with no right of

> review were unlawful.

>

> THANKS AGAIN. PEACE TO ALL !

You need to read what you post, sentencing was delayed while the British Court of Appeal ruled on the legality of whole life tarrifs and their compatibility with human rights legislation. Sentencing was not delayed by "waiting on a directive from Europe" which is what you claimed - as I said, didn't happen.

ETA by the way you do know the ECHR is not run by the EU and that the UK will remain a member of it after we leave?

[titch juicy]

Duvaller Wrote:

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> malumbu Wrote:

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> -----

> Blair was a disicple of

> > Thatcher. We lost the engineering and

> > manufacturing bsse mcuh earlier. She shagged

> the

> > NW, the NE, the Midlands and South Wales then.

> He

> > may of finished it off, but certainly didn't

> start

> > it. And until Lehman Brother etc (and I am

> sure

> > that others better placed to say the warning

> signs

> > were there) things had in deed Only Got Better.

>

>

> >

> > But if we are beter at doing things than making

> > things then so be it. If my kids don't know

> what

> > a lathe is, does it matter?

>

> It's just not right to blame Thatcher for the UK's

> industrial decline. It was/is a trend that has

> shrunk manufacturing in many developed countries

> as production moved to lower cost countries. I

> recall visiting Buffalo NY state in the late 70's

> and saw mile after mile of abandoned steel works

> and factories- since called the rust belt.

>

> As our standard of living has improved in the UK,

> it is simply not feasable to pay a miner a

> sensible wage to dig coal out of an underground

> pit when coal can be imported from open cast mines

> at about 20% of the cost. Thatcher did not cause

> that and shouldn't be blamed for it.

>

> There were other significant factors that

> accelerated the UK's industrial decline and I will

> mention one here now. Having started out with a

> major motor manufacturer in the mid to late 60's,

> I saw it all unfold over the next thirty years.

> The single biggest tipping point was the crippling

> effect of militant unions running wild under a

> Labour government.

>

> The never-ending strikes crippled the

> car/van/truck/bus manufacturers financially and

> product quality deteriorated. Loss of

> profitability led to lack of product and

> facilities development. On top of this, we lost

> our export markets as cars from Japan and

> elsewhere were much better value.

>

> This led to the eventual demise of much of the

> Midlands based vehicle manufacturers with knock-on

> effects to associated manufacturing companies.

> Five jobs are lost at suppliers for every job lost

> by the car manufacturer., so the effect is

> leveraged across the whole industrial sector.

>

> Blame most of it on the likes of "Red Robbo",

> Arthur Scargill and other union leaders who were

> power hungry and had ideological and political

> ambitions. These are the ones that cost me my job

> and my pension when my employer folded.

>

> The tragedy is that younger voters have no direct

> experience or even knowledge of such issues.

> That's why Labour is always keen to lower the

> voting age.

It's how she dealt with the demise of mining and the mining communities, not that she caused it, that is the big issue no?

[JohnL]

Just checking on Thatchers advisors and some of their beliefs. Here's the sort of thing they thought ..

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/30/thatcher-government-liverpool-riots-1981

[????]

Wheres as Corbyn's just appointed as head of his campaign (Andrew Murray) someome who was a member of the Communist party in DECEMBER and in Dec 2015 said:

"Communism still represents, in my view, a society wort working towards"...good old Jezza the "non-extreme, cuddly, social democrat" My a*rse he is.

[stringvest]

Thank you Rendel for your reply. I appreciate it and have gained knowledge from it.

[JohnL]

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> Wheres as Corbyn's just appointed as head of his

> campaign (Andrew Murray) someome who was a member

> of the Communist party in DECEMBER and in Dec 2015

> said:

>

> "Communism still represents, in my view, a society

> wort working towards"...good old Jezza the

> "non-extreme, cuddly, social democrat" My a*rse he

> is.

It's a secondment from Len McCluskey I'd say to provide

management support.

'On Monday, a source close to Corbyn said: ?It is simply

untrue that Andrew is heading up the campaign. He has been

seconded to support the campaign.?'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-drafts-in-andrew-murray-to-head-2017-general-election-campaign-team-unite-stop-the-war-chair_uk_5918c0ade4b0031e737e7b6d

[JohnL]

Of course there is the possibility as the New Statesman suggests ..

"The appointment has some insiders suggesting that Jeremy Corbyn

is staffing his campaign with an eye not on the general election

but on the battle for control of the Labour party afterwards."

IMHO the idea that this GE is worthless is rather sad (makes me not

want to bother sometimes)

[Jules-and-Boo]

uhm... well of course. Does that not go without saying?

It's like game of chess - positioning pieces etc.

The parties will do or say anything to get in, we know their end plan is the next four years.

[jaywalker]

It will not be the labour party afterwards. The Labour party itself will simply become another socialist-worker style party (even if they keep the name). Those centre-left who are left will leave, to force remain. Many will be left: look at the labour party share of the vote on the recent polling moving-average on the BBC news website (UKIP sinking without trace, the LibDems getting absolutely nowhere): they are now on a higher share of the vote than at the last election. This is partly because the cosmopolitan 'labour-remain' vote is holding strong in the cities and university towns. Although labour-leave have higher majorities elsewhere, they are being very squeezed by the rather amusing sight of working-class and lower-middle class voters decamping from UKIP to, of all people, the Tories. They will reap what they sow.

If only someone would get the opposition parties to muster an anti-Tory alliance (so that rival candidates stand down), May would be in danger. Without that it is the following election that will be the return to sanity.

[Villager]

jaywalker Wrote:

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> If only someone would get the opposition parties

> to muster an anti-Tory alliance (so that rival

> candidates stand down), May would be in danger.

>

Dream on. The UKIP deserters going Tory will more than negate any tactical voting.

[JohnL]

Blair has done an interview ... with Alastair Campbell

He's got the idea :)

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/tony-blair-says-mafia-right-wing-uk-press-crossed-a-line-with-pro-brexit-propaganda/