Waitrose or M&S TYPE supermarket - do we want one on LL?

[civilservant]

so you've just moved to ED, have you Mick Mac?

Girl82, what could you mean? Waitrose or M&S couldn't even BEGIN to compete with that star Rye Lane emporium Khan's Bargains (Come In and See the Variety) http://helengraves.co.uk/tag/khans-bargain-ltd/

ETA link and to say - I am so bored with this thread, it could def do with being hijacked

[fazer71]

Girl82 Wrote:

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> How about a Waitrose or an M&S on RYE Lane? Now

> that would be amazing!

The day Southwark made Rye Lane a Bus only road, is the day Rye Lane died.

No quality business would ever consider or want to invest in a store which would never be able to attract shoppers from a wide area, if shoppers can?t drive past and see the stores from their cars they either won?t know they?re there or won?t feel comfortable enough to go there.

M&S Waitrose very unlikely on Rye Lane they don?t aspire to serve bus users they want the 4x4 driving set.

Until Southwark allow cars back down Rye Lane it?ll continue being viewed as a no go (dump) zone for 99% of the locals who don?t live in Peckham.

[Twirly]

fazer71 Wrote:

> The day Southwark made Rye Lane a Bus only road,

> is the day Rye Lane died.

>

> No quality business would ever consider or want to

> invest in a store which would never be able to

> attract shoppers from a wide area, if shoppers

> can?t drive past and see the stores from their

> cars they either won?t know they?re there or won?t

> feel comfortable enough to go there.

> M&S Waitrose very unlikely on Rye Lane they don?t

> aspire to serve bus users they want the 4x4

> driving set.

>

> Until Southwark allow cars back down Rye Lane

> it?ll continue being viewed as a no go (dump) zone

> for 99% of the locals who don?t live in Peckham.

What a load of tosh! If that was the case, then shopping malls and pedestrianised town centres would soon die a death. It's mostly buses down Oxford Street, and that doesn't seem to have a problem attracting shoppers. I don't remember Peckham in it's hey day, but others on here do, and discussed on another thread somewhere the reasons for it's demise, and it certainly wasn't anything to do with buses.

[fazer71]

Pedestrianised town centres ARE dying a death

Peckham unlike Oxford Street hardly appeals to tourists from all over the world.

?Hey buddy let?s fly to the UK go to the Theeattta and go Shopping on Peckham Rye?

Fact is Rye Lanes demise began the day cars were excluded.

It?s viewed as a no go zone for most that?ve got the money to buy from Waitrose or other high end retailers which is why they?ll never open up there.

If it was made one way for buses and cars, in such a way that cars wouldn?t use it as a short cut maybe making it a route to the Morrisons then that might help, but the complete car ban is has and will be the death of Rye Lane, it?ll remain a dirty low end no go shopping zone for most with the money to spend and make a difference.

You?re talking nonsense.

Imagin Lordship Lane without cars just buses...

It would be dead!

Oxford St's we don't have.

[tallulah71]

What civilservant said

[StraferJack]

I was in Exeter the other weekend - ever since I've lived there (20 years ago) it's been pedestrianised. And has attracted the likes of an apple store - despite no cars being anywhere near it. The buses are teeny as well. People manage

Now let's look at Walworth Road - not much more than a few hundred yards from Peckham - and open to as many cars as you like? Is that the galvanising effect that car access has? Well I never...

[Jeremy]

The car argument doesn't stack up... first of all, there's plenty of parking in Peckham, and secondly, you CAN actually drive along Rye Lane!

[fazer71]

OK I C now it works in Exeter and cars can (in a round the world way) drive down parts of Rye Lane?.

Of Corse it needs the car diversion because just like the Walworth Road and the Old Kent Rd it?s a Major Road Artery into and Out of central London.

Rye Lane is perfect for attracting a Waitrose, I bet White Stuff, Next John Lewis, and M&S are desperately fighting each other to get the next big available unit on Rye Lane I?m sure they will pay top dollar and a large premium.

I?m just thinking about all the wealthy shoppers who are going to pour down the Lane from Forest Hill, Dulwich Village, Herne Hill and Camberwell spending money to employ the locals in the bijou boutiques and high end retailers which will setup shop.

Yes Rye Lane is just brilliant just as it is;

Yes no change will be great for Peckham.

The way it was before the car ban with all those things meant nothing.

They will just return it?s been 30 years and not much sign of it yet so fingers crossed ?.

Ummmm

[Twirly]

Funnily enough, the post I was thinking about was earlier on this thread:

Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> @Louisa

>

> The proposed channel tunnel rail link in Peckham

> led to Rye Lane's decline as Railtrack bought

> leases in the surrounding area. So of course the

> big retailers moved out. Once the redevelopment

> was defeated Railtrack then sold the leases to

> smaller retailers as the larger retailers were no

> longer interested.

>

> Furthermore, Surrey Quays shopping opened, adding

> further pressures on Rye Lane.

Frazer71, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic in your post or not, but I think Rye Lane is thriving and vibrant, a great contrast to rather gentrified East Dulwich. It may not have high end shops, but it doesn't need them, and where would the local communities shop if it's nature changed? Having the two contrasting areas so close to each other is one of the great things about living in this area, and long may it remain that way.

[fazer71]

Yes you caught me out...

The channel tunnel story was that real true? I don?t think so?. But happy to be proved wrong by the real undisputedtruth?.

I doubt Surrey Quays attracts many locals from the areas I list most of them probably go to Bromley or Bluewater etc.

Rye Lane may as well be in the Channel Tunnel for all is visibility; my guess is more of the Locals from the areas I?ve listed have seen the inside of that tunnel than the store fronts of Rye Lane.

Haw can making an area inaccessible benefit anyone especially the locals it?s stunts growth and restricts investment, fine if that is the aim.

Maybe it was a political decision by old Labour Southwark to keep the area poor to keep the Labour vote.??

[henryb]

Rye lane is very accessible by multiple means of transport. Cars make streets dangerous, noisy and polluted and discourages people from using them for other purposes like shopping or living. Just look at Elephant and Castle - that is what happens when cars are given priority over pedestrians and people - it kills the area.

It is good that car access is restricted along Rye Lane and will improve the area no end.

[fazer71]

henryb

Elephant and Castle is not Rye Lane.

Completely different.

Are you saying Cars should now be banned from Lordship Lane ?

[James Barber]

Stated in the latest Elephant & Castle draft Supplementary Planning Draft that only 16% of Southwark residents comparison shopping takes place in shops located in Southwark.

That internet shopping in the last 12 months has increased from 7% to 10% of all shopping.

So a Waitrose or M&S on Lordship Lane wouldn't help with that BUT Rye Lane returning to some of its former glory would help keep more Southwark pounds in Southwark with all the obvious benefits of that....but that's another thread for another forum.

[henryb]

Elephant and Castle used to be a vibrate shopping area full of entertainment venues - "Piccadilly circus of the south" . Then after the war rather than rebuilding it they turned it into a roundabout and shopping centre. Now I can't imagine anyone wanting to go there.

Lordship lane should be a shared space imo.

[fazer71]

James point me to that forum and the thread please.

Rye Lane is a complete disaster area everything from the ban on cars and the filthy pavements to the new two way system that's replaced the one way system.

It was fantastic in the 60s ever since the mid 70s "when the cars were banned" its just been a disaster.

[cprclaire]

Absolutely not. We should be doing everything we can to support our fabulous local independent food shops.

[fazer71]

henryb Wrote:

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> Lordship lane should be a shared space imo.

Umm one big pavement with cars and busses dodging the pedestrians sounds like an interesting concept for a high street with a bus lane.

I'm sure our tax money could be ploughed into.

[Fergie73]

I agree, it's not needed there are more than enough food shops along lordship and a new shop will mean less parking on the lane

[mohm]

Clearly we need a Waitrose or M&S on Lordship Lane.

Only allowing independent shops frustrates the free market. Not sure if anyone playing that violin ever went to socialist Russia but the experiment did not work out well there.

Is it a serious argument that we shouldn't have a Waitrose / M&S because this would mean more cars? Perhaps we should allow only really rubbish shops and then there would be no traffic at all. Kick out all of the decent independent shops too then in that case.

[greenways]

Personally I would much prefer a little M&S to the co-op and I think it would be cheaper!

[woodrot]

mohm Wrote:

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> Clearly we need a Waitrose or M&S on Lordship

> Lane.

>

> Only allowing independent shops frustrates the

> free market. Not sure if anyone playing that

> violin ever went to socialist Russia but the

> experiment did not work out well there.

>

> Is it a serious argument that we shouldn't have a

> Waitrose / M&S because this would mean more cars?

> Perhaps we should allow only really rubbish shops

> and then there would be no traffic at all. Kick

> out all of the decent independent shops too then

> in that case.

Say that again ?

[maxxi]

mohm Wrote:

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> Clearly we need a Waitrose or M&S on Lordship

> Lane.

>

> Only allowing independent shops frustrates the

> free market. Not sure if anyone playing that

> violin ever went to socialist Russia but the

> experiment did not work out well there.

>

> Is it a serious argument that we shouldn't have a

> Waitrose / M&S because this would mean more cars?

> Perhaps we should allow only really rubbish shops

> and then there would be no traffic at all. Kick

> out all of the decent independent shops too then

> in that case.

clearly?... need?... socialist Russia??..... SERIOUS ARGUMENT!?!!???

oh my head... where am I????

[bouffles]

no thank you. We have a huge Sainsburys with a car park and bus stop. There is a co op and an Iceland - how can we need another supermarket. Unless it would replace one of the others I think it is totally unnecessary. The only thing that would offer anything alternative to what we can already get in a Supermarket would be a peoples type supermarket like the one in Lambs Conduit Street.

[rbrtdngl]

How about instead of a supermarket something more like Brixton Market/Village?

[Fly]

rbrtdngl Wrote:

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> How about instead of a supermarket something more

> like Brixton Market/Village?

I'd like this