Waitrose or M&S TYPE supermarket - do we want one on LL?

[Keef]

And with regards finding this thread, it has been in the top few threads nd the main section since u started. You'd have to be trying to avoid it in order to miss it.

[peterstorm1985]

Thank you expat; that was very helpful

Huguenot Wrote:

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> *tired sigh*

>

> peterstorm I'm not claiming that the forum fully

> represents the views of ED. I'm saying that it's

> as good if not better than all the alternatives.

> In terms of practicality, timeliness and value for

> money.

>

> WTF is it with some of you guys? What would you

> prefer?

>

> *shakes head*

Sorry if I have disappointed you to the point of such weariness Huguenot- I was simply trying to get some certainty of numbers to end that potential sidetrack. Also, notwithstanding the far greater numbers of viewers/responders on this forum I was trying to add a note of caution to arriving at a conclusion from such responses. Whether it is 2000, 4000, or whatever number that consider the question here, it will only be from those who use this form of communication and that ignores certain sections of the local populous entirely. True representation of the demographic - which may be by a very small response rate - is far more important than quantity of answers.

[returnee]

yes please to either

[kck]

Yes please!

[thebestnameshavegone]

peterstorm1985 Wrote:

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> Thank you expat; that was very helpful

>

> Huguenot Wrote:

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> -----

> > *tired sigh*

> >

> > peterstorm I'm not claiming that the forum

> fully

> > represents the views of ED. I'm saying that

> it's

> > as good if not better than all the

> alternatives.

> > In terms of practicality, timeliness and value

> for

> > money.

> >

> > WTF is it with some of you guys? What would you

> > prefer?

> >

> > *shakes head*

>

> Sorry if I have disappointed you to the point of

> such weariness Huguenot- I was simply trying to

> get some certainty of numbers to end that

> potential sidetrack. Also, notwithstanding the far

> greater numbers of viewers/responders on this

> forum I was trying to add a note of caution to

> arriving at a conclusion from such responses.

> Whether it is 2000, 4000, or whatever number that

> consider the question here, it will only be from

> those who use this form of communication and that

> ignores certain sections of the local populous

> entirely. True representation of the demographic

> - which may be by a very small response rate - is

> far more important than quantity of answers.

Exactly. This forum should not be making decisions on behalf of the majority of the community that aren't quite as time-rich as the denizens of the edf.

[Alec John Moore]

What decision making process are we involved in? I thought we were just voicing opinions.

[ASHEALEY]

Another NO I am afraid. The reason why most people came to live in East Dulwich and like to shop at Lordship lane so much is precisely because there are no big chain stores! Bringing and M&S or Waitrose would eventually bring other high street chains and we don't want that! .. leave this bit of London as it is .. it's becoming harder and harder to find streets like this one in London!

[Huguenot]

Shall I take it from the repetition of your original unfounded complaint atbnhg that you have no sensible alternative, and have nothing more constructive to propose?

[James Barber]

Knocking on doors across East Dulwich it seems about 10x as many people reading EDF as posting.

I've had many emails, texts and a few PM's that broadly correlates to the ration of people for or against. They clearly didn't feel they wanted to expose themselves to some of the direct responses that do sometimes appear on the forum.

This thread was meant to test opinion in finger in the air way. It was never meant to be definitive but an indicator.It has been really useful in achieving that small simple aim.

THANK YOU to everyone who's responded in whatever way felt best for them.

[pk]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Knocking on doors across East Dulwich it seems

> about 10x as many people reading EDF as posting.

> I've had many emails, texts and a few PM's that

> broadly correlates to the ration of people for or

> against. They clearly didn't feel they wanted to

> expose themselves to some of the direct responses

> that do sometimes appear on the forum.

>

> This thread was meant to test opinion in finger in

> the air way. It was never meant to be definitive

> but an indicator.It has been really useful in

> achieving that small simple aim.

>

> THANK YOU to everyone who's responded in whatever

> way felt best for them.

so what are you going to do with the info that you've collected?

[BrandNewGuy]

.. and it's a belated 'No' from me.

[DulwichFox]

Ok, Question Waitrose or M&S TYPE supermarket - do we want one on LL?

Thread Started By Councilor James Barber.

12016 Views 435 Posts. Do we want one on LL? Mixed response.

It is not really a question of whether we want one or not.

It is a question of if Waitrose or M&S want to set up stall in East Dulwich.

If so, Have they already applied to Southwark Council to do so. ??

If there were interest from these two very influential Giants, there may be some scope for

people scratching each others backs.

[MitchK]

James, if you can arrange for any Waitrose store application to be approved in Lordship Lane, then I will not only vote Lib Dem in the next election, I will also help you deliver leaflets for this alternative vote thingy.

[Keef]

Exactly. This forum should not be making decisions on behalf of the majority of the community that aren't quite as time-rich as the denizens of the edf.

Okay, first of all, this forum is not making any decisions about anyhting!!

Secondly, do you really think a big supermarket chain would give a toss anyway? If they want to open in an area, they will, if they dont, they won't.

[cheryla]

I think this would be a great assett, either would work well with the current mix of businesses and drive more traffic to the area so the other shops would benefit.

[Fidgetsmum]

If we were to have either, my vote would be Waitrose over the overpriced processed foods that M&S sell. Having said that, I'd rather have Waitrose instead of the Coop rather than in addition to. Lordship Lane is fabulous because of its independent shops - we need no additional supermarket, but I have shopped at Sainsbury's, Coop and Waitrose over the years and have always found the foods I buy from Waitrose are sold further from their use by date and tend to have been cared for better in transit so I'd rather my money go to them.

[Narnia]

cheryla Wrote:

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> I think this would be a great assett, either would

> work well with the current mix of businesses and

> drive more traffic to the area so the other shops

> would benefit.

Well I don't have much to say regarding what would or wouldn't be a great asset to the area, but as a local I would say that there is nowhere to park here so I just can't see what more traffic would do for the area. It may come but sure as heck it will go. I don't even think about LL as a place to park anymore if I'm in a hurry, as the chances of getting a spot are slim to none. There is no more space here.

[thebestnameshavegone]

Keef Wrote:

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> Exactly. This forum should not be making decisions

> on behalf of the majority of the community that

> aren't quite as time-rich as the denizens of the

> edf.

>

> Okay, first of all, this forum is not making any

> decisions about anyhting!!

>

> Secondly, do you really think a big supermarket

> chain would give a toss anyway? If they want to

> open in an area, they will, if they dont, they

> won't.

So,what you're saying is this thread is 15-pages of pointless navel-gazing? I agree.

The interesting thing to come out of it is that some people genuinely think this forum speaks for ED though.

[Keef]

So,what you're saying is this thread is 15-pages of pointless navel-gazing? I agree.

Yes, on that, we agree.

The interesting thing to come out of it is that some people genuinely think this forum speaks for ED though.

You're misrepresenting. What "some people" (me included) are saying, is that the forum allows one to canvas opinion in a wider, and more cost effective manner than any of the alternatives. Of course there are lots of people in ED that don't use the forum, but to suggest that the only people using it are middle class 30 somethings with "time on their hands", is a nonsense.

[pk]

Keef Wrote:

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> What "some people" (me included) are saying, is that the forum allows one

> to canvas opinion in a wider, and more cost

> effective manner than any of the alternatives.

more cost effective maybe but wider - i don't think so

> Of course there are lots of people in ED that don't

> use the forum, but to suggest that the only people

> using it are middle class 30 somethings with "time

> on their hands", is a nonsense.

i don't know about the demographics on here but i'd be amazed if middle class 30 somethings with time on their hands aren't massively overrepresented

[Keef]

This thread currently has 12448 Views. That is quite a lot. You could send out 20000 leaflets, but how many do you think would actually get read?

[expat]

>This thread currently has 12448 Views

but they are not unique views

[Medley]

And what exactly do you count Iceland and the Co-op as?

ASHEALEY Wrote:

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> Another NO I am afraid. The reason why most people

> came to live in East Dulwich and like to shop at

> Lordship lane so much is precisely because there

> are no big chain stores! Bringing and M&S or

> Waitrose would eventually bring other high street

> chains and we don't want that! .. leave this bit

> of London as it is .. it's becoming harder and

> harder to find streets like this one in London!

[Keef]

expat Wrote:

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> >This thread currently has 12448 Views

> but they are not unique views

No, fair point, but I'd imagine that quite a high number of them are unique.

[Narnia]

Well without getting into this thread I've actually read parts of it quite a few times. I'd say I've looked in at least a dozen times. If that were typical then you are looking at 1000 unique views.