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Narnia & Twirly - that's a nice way to welcome someone whose first language isn't English but is making an effort to engage with others on the forum. A quick look at VALFR59's previous posts will tell you all you need to know. Tut, tut.
I take your point edcam. I didn't realise VALFR59 was French. However, unless you are going to give her English lessons then I think it is better she knows that what she has written is mostly gibberish. Otherwish her English will never improve. Sorry Val.

Narnia Wrote:

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> I take your point edcam. I didn't realise VALFR59

> was French. However, unless you are going to give

> her English lessons then I think it is better she

> knows that what she has written is mostly

> gibberish. Otherwish her English will never

> improve. Sorry Val.



Ditto. However, I genuinely didn't understand what was meant in much of the post.

Narnia Wrote:

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> M? cheapann t? go bhfuil ?asca le tuiscint ag Hal

> t? s? ach toisc go bhfuil t? ar r?omhaire.


M? cheapann t? go bhfuil thuiscint go h?asca ag Hal t? s? ach toisc go bhfuil s? ar r?omhaire, surely?

Keef Wrote:

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> But this forum is viewed by thousands of people,

> so that is like doing a huge mail out. I don't

> think a little group of forum users are agreeing a

> stance between themselves and trying to influence

> anything.



Is it? Over what period of time? Most forums operate around a core of regulars, occasional visitors. And if they don't find this thread?

Oh don't be unrealistic tbnhg, you're talking yourself into a corner.


If you don't think we periodically elect politicians to make decisions according to manifesto pledges (and punish them if they fail), then what you do think elections are for?


If you don't think public opinion is heavily influenced by energetic, motivated and well connected people then who do you think has the influence?


If you don't think that the forum (15,000 regular users) can offer us a cross section of ED (population 5,000) opinion, then who are these cunning sixth column who are invading our environs?


Your plea 'just plaing wrong' is just plain silly - it's like stamping your foot about the unfairness of having to breathe oxygen every 5 seconds.


If you can think of a better way (in terms of effectiveness, timeliness and value for money) of gauging public opinion I'd be really pleased to hear it, bearing in mind that public meetings typically attract 100 people and mail drops go in the bin.


Your despair is a rhetorical flourish, it has nothing to do with the real world. Instead of criticising everyone else, why don't you ask yourself what you've done to improve our world?

karter Wrote:

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> Come hugue be fair with words for once. 15000

> registered users not regular users right?


I wonder if Admin could give some stats on the regular users - I'm sure it wouldn't be more than 2000 at most. And what is regular? I've viewed and posted a lot in recent months but I sometimes go months at a time without accessing this forum (and so there are at least two discarded usernames that are probably still 'registered' but I've lost access to old email addresses so can't get the password that I've since forgotten).


But, more importantly, forumites are IT users, which means they are a very particular section of the local demographic. A significant minority of ED don't have internet access and, of those that do, I'm sure there is a higher percentage that have never been on this forum.


I'm not suggesting that the outcome of a vote amongst the whole of the local populous on this particular subject would return results any different from a vote on the forum but I don't think you could ever rely on this forum to fully represent the views of ED.

My understanding is that the forum attracts around 4,000 unique visitors a day, and around 15,000 per month.


It would depend on your definition of regular, but a monthly visit seems pretty regular to me. Certainly not enough to call me out on for for 'unfairness'.


I don't want to get bogged down in it, if you prefer to define 'regular' as per day, then 4,000 seems a perfectly big figure no?


My point is that as a local forum it attracts fifty time more people that you could dream of attracting by having a mail drop or a community meeting. It's not scientific, but certainly not worthy of the rubbishing that atbnhg is trying to apply to it.

*tired sigh*


peterstorm I'm not claiming that the forum fully represents the views of ED. I'm saying that it's as good if not better than all the alternatives. In terms of practicality, timeliness and value for money.


WTF is it with some of you guys? What would you prefer?


*shakes head*

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