8 June

[red devil]

I think the Labour party should have a left-wing element to it, just not as it's leader. And if they're going to have a left-wing firebrand as leader, as least pick someone with some fire...

[JohnL]

Maybe if this is the new politics we need a President elected as in France.

or at least a House of Lords elected with a Leader (just some other powerbase).

[Loz]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Thosse of us who are at the center (more or less where Blair was politically without the wars) have

> no real representation (maybe I still do the 80s LibDem thing of seeing them as 'god squad' (to

> happy to please)),

>

> We need a Macron

My hope of of the Brexit debacle and Corbyn was that the centrist Labour people and the LibDems (and maybe even a few centrist Tories) would come together and form a centrist party.

Sadly, that seems but a wild dream.

[Jeremy]

Loz Wrote:

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> My hope of of the Brexit debacle and Corbyn was

> that the centrist Labour people and the LibDems

> (and maybe even a few centrist Tories) would come

> together and form a centrist party.

>

> Sadly, that seems but a wild dream.

It would seem both logical and feasible. But remember, pretty much the same thing happened in the 80s.. e.g. Labour moderates broke away and formed the Social Democrats. Which, a few years later merged with the Liberals to become the Lib Dems. They never really became a serious force, so I imagine most Labour MPs are wary of a repeat performance.

Meanwhile, Rachel Johnson (Boris' sister) has joined the Lib Dems as a sort of protest against Brexit. Which some are interpreting as a coup for the LD, but I'm not sure whether endorsement from a Daily Mail columnist is really a step in the right direction.

[red devil]

I believe she writes for the Mail on Sunday, which I'm also led to believe is a different political animal to the Daily Mail. Perhaps Labour can come up with their own 'coup' and Corbybabes agrees to appear in the next Stormzy video.

I wouldn't give up on some form of centrist party/alliance eventually forming, perhaps that was part of May's thinking when calling the snap election. As we've seen in France it doesn't take long in the social media world for something to take off quickly...

[????]

But that's a presidency NOT a parliamentary election (which is why Trump got in in the US too) - we have no equivalent, sometimes I'm glad.

[red devil]

Macron's En Marche is running in the French equivalent of a General Election (June), currently second with the bookies to get most seats...

[????]

Oh, OK - didn't know that.

Still can't see it here though..

[red devil]

Who knows, but my point was more about social media now being a game changer especially when it's really well organised and orchestrated, that's how Corbyn got in...

[TheCat]

oh dear diane....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/labours-police-promise-tatters-diane-abbott-suggests-officers/

[JohnL]

TheCat Wrote:

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> oh dear diane....

>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/labours

> -police-promise-tatters-diane-abbott-suggests-offi

> cers/

Bet any mathematically literate person could push May

into the same circle of crap as I've never seen her give

a mathematically literate answer - but she gets a pass.

How much will Brexit cost again ?

Abbott is stupid for answering the question - you delegate

to those who can cope with numbers.

Edit: Just because a person is bad with numbers does not mean

the policy is wrong

[TheCat]

I'll concede that sometimes people can mix numbers up or mis-speak. But she was hardly pushed into a difficult situation in that interview, she just f'#ked up, plain and simple.

Also...today's labour party interviews/messages are all about this specific issue of them adding 10,000 more police....that's the issue she was there to discuss, so not being over the figures for the very thing you are there to talk about doesn't inspire a huge amount of confidence...

[TheCat]

JohnL Wrote:

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>

> Edit: Just because a person is bad with numbers

> does not mean

> the policy is wrong

The policy can be the best idea in the world....but if you don't know how you're going to pay for it, then what does it matter?

I have a policy that everyone should own a toilet made of solid gold....

[red devil]

Getting your figures wrong is nothing to do with mathematical literacy, she said it was going to cost ''about ?80m'', when in fact is was ?300m.

According to the BBC, since the Tories have been in power police numbers have dropped 20,000. Labour should be ramming that point home, instead we get this amateurish performance from Abbott...

[JohnL]

TheCat Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> -----

>

> >

> > Edit: Just because a person is bad with

> numbers

> > does not mean

> > the policy is wrong

>

>

> The policy can be the best idea in the

> world....but if you don't know how you're going to

> pay for it, then what does it matter?

>

> I have a policy that everyone should own a toilet

> made of solid gold....

From the Mirror "The party said yesterday the 10,000 officers will cost ?2.5 billion."

Abbott was tired or something - all she had to do was say the figures were published yesterday end of and we can't afford not to increase Police after the 20,000 reduction under the Tories. If you want more check the manifesto blah blah blah.

Anyway May refuses to cost Brexit - and it's one of the worst policies in the world.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Tories borrow more money than Labour.

[titch juicy]

It has nothing to do with the actual numbers or the policy, it's that she messed up something so basic live on the radio.

With this and John McDonnell being photographed yesterday giving a speech under the Hammer & Sickle and Ba'athist flag, any advances Labour had made in the last two weeks will now likely have been completely undone.

[titch juicy]

http://thebackbencher.co.uk/john-mcdonnells-may-day-speech-was-a-moral-disgrace/

[steveo]

'Anyway May refuses to cost Brexit'

Even Stephen Hawking and Mystic Meg couldn't cost Brexit JohnL

[Alan Medic]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> It has nothing to do with the actual numbers or

> the policy, it's that she messed up something so

> basic live on the radio.

Does it really matter in the greater scheme of things? May said 9 times there wouldn't be a snap election.

>

> With this and John McDonnell being photographed

> yesterday giving a speech under the Hammer &

> Sickle and Ba'athist flag, any advances Labour had

> made in the last two weeks will now likely have

> been completely undone.-

Jeez. Do you really think that's important? If so why?

[Alan Medic]

Andrew Marr asked TM yesterday if she thought gay sex was a sin. She said no as I expected her to. Right we can all vote for her now as 'ol Tim just found it really difficult to say it wasn't......

These bloody questions irritate me. First of all everyone takes for granted a sin is a bad thing but no one says what it actually is. Go on someone, define it. Oh ok, sins are acts which don't please God. You'll probably go to Hell if you commit enough of them or at least have a pit-stop in Purgatory. Oh right. So who is God and what are these places called Hell and Purgatory?

But no. TM won't be asked anything like this. She may well believe that God is a man with grey hair and a long beard who sits on a throne in a place called Heaven. His son could perform miracles. His son's Father was called Joseph even though he (Joseph) wasn't God. His mother was a virgin.

It all makes sense now. One last question PM. Is nose picking a sin? No, it isn't. Why not?

[titch juicy]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> titch juicy Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > It has nothing to do with the actual numbers or

> > the policy, it's that she messed up something

> so

> > basic live on the radio.

>

> Does it really matter in the greater scheme of

> things? May said 9 times there wouldn't be a snap

> election.

> >

> > With this and John McDonnell being photographed

> > yesterday giving a speech under the Hammer &

> > Sickle and Ba'athist flag, any advances Labour

> had

> > made in the last two weeks will now likely have

> > been completely undone.-

>

> Jeez. Do you really think that's important? If so

> why?

Because of Corbyn's silence and refusal to condemn the Assad regime/Russian/Iranian led atrocities in Aleppo. Mainly because he's either completely ignorant of what's happening there and who the main players are- or he's sympathetic to them. Either way, as a supposed moral giant, it's truly a massive failure.

Him calling for UN, not military intervention is naive at very best.

Plus, allowing McDonnell to be filmed under those two flags at election time is cannon fodder to the right wing press and therefore voters. They should not be giving the Daily Mail these photo opps.

[Jeremy]

We shouldn't be asking our politicians what constitutes a "sin". It's a religious concept, which should be considered outmoded and defunct in the context of government. The correct question would be "do you believe homosexuality is morally wrong".

I struggle with the compatibility of Evangelical Christianity and liberalism. But if Farron insists that he can keep his beliefs out of politics, then perhaps we should at least give him the chance to do so.

[Seabag]

Keeping your beliefs out of politics?

Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence does it. In fact, I'm suspicious when politicians express thier 'faith', it conveys a level of willful blindness, of which I'm not good at.

So Fallon is a lamer duck than I'd like, and it's much the reason I dislike May and her leanings. And some of the biggest hypocrites I've come across have expressed thier 'faith' as some kind of badge of validation.

Nah, not for me!

[JohnL]

Theresa May (Kim Jong May as they now call her) has locked some reporters in a room

http://www.devonlive.com/theresa-may-visits-devon-after/story-30306851-detail/story.html

But look who she got the idea from (sorry for the source) though she can't come up with anything like the good excuse Bidens staff did " And she claimed an inexperienced staffer had put Powers in the closet instead of a 'hotel room' as was their normal practice."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370371/Vice-President-Joe-Bidens-staff-lock-journalist-closet-stop-talking-guests.html

Edit: Mrs May added: "That is about strong and stable leadership."