8 June

[JohnL]

Of course they do - I had a nice Phil Oakey at that time - and I loved it.

[rendelharris]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Is this for real?

>

> http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?2

> 0,file=262071

No, fake, or at least nobody seems to have found a solid attribution - but on the other hand in 1988 the Thatcher government was passing Section 28 which ordered that local authorities "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship." As May was at that time Chair of Education at Merton council it's fair to assume she supported that legislation, especially as she voted against the repeal of Section 28 when she was an MP in 2003.

In the interests of balance she said in 2010 she'd had a change of heart over LGBT issues and if she had to vote again over several issues she would vote differently (she voted against same sex adoption and equalising the age of consent as well).

[????]

and meanwhile Corbyn took fees of the State Media of a regime that hangs homosexuals from cranes, because the regime is an enemy of the US, (far more recently than the 80s too)...sometimes actions speak louder than words eh Rendel

[Borky]

to me

to you

to me

to you

repeat forever

[JohnL]

???? Wrote:

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> and meanwhile Corbyn took fees of the State Media

> of a regime that hangs homosexuals from cranes,

> because the regime is an enemy of the US, (far

> more recently than the 80s too)...sometimes

> actions speak louder than words eh Rendel

One of the less impressive things but he answered some

questions on this from Pink News readers

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/05/qa-labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-answers-your-all-questions-on-lgbt-rights/

[rendelharris]

???? Wrote:

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> and meanwhile Corbyn took fees of the State Media

> of a regime that hangs homosexuals from cranes,

> because the regime is an enemy of the US, (far

> more recently than the 80s too)...sometimes

> actions speak louder than words eh Rendel

To me to you indeed...and Mrs May's last trip overseas outside Europe, just two months ago, was to a country where homosexuals can be stoned to death and where women can be beheaded for adultery, a country not only consistently at the bottom of human rights tables but one well known for its covert support of terrorism through members of its extended royal family. She went there to profess the UK's friendship for the country and to try to flog it British-made weapons to be used in its illegal airstrikes against civilians. She was so chummy with them she was awarded The Order of King Abdulaziz, given to those considered to have offered "meritorious service to the kingdom."

To you...

[????]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > and meanwhile Corbyn took fees of the State

> Media

> > of a regime that hangs homosexuals from cranes,

> > because the regime is an enemy of the US, (far

> > more recently than the 80s too)...sometimes

> > actions speak louder than words eh Rendel

>

> To me to you indeed...and Mrs May's last trip

> overseas outside Europe, just two months ago, was

> to a country where homosexuals can be stoned to

> death and where women can be beheaded for

> adultery, a country not only consistently at the

> bottom of human rights tables but one well known

> for its covert support of terrorism through

> members of its extended royal family. She went

> there to profess the UK's friendship for the

> country and to try to flog it British-made weapons

> to be used in its illegal airstrikes against

> civilians. She was so chummy with them she was

> awarded The Order of King Abdulaziz, given to

> those considered to have offered "meritorious

> service to the kingdom."

>

> To you...

She went as Prime Minister of this country - she didn't appear on their state media as a non-entity MP condoning the west and taking money for her appearance.

[JohnL]

The investigation into the funding of Jihadi's may never be published (too sensitive)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia

Meanwhile to the right Paul Nuttall wants to ban Saudi funding of UK Mosques.

[rendelharris]

???? Wrote:

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> She went as Prime Minister of this country - she

> didn't appear on their state media as a non-entity

> MP condoning the west and taking money for her

> appearance.

Ah, so it's OK to act immorally and consort with murderous regimes when representing the country but not as a private individual. Gotcha.

[One Who Does]

Louisa Wrote:

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> It's probably the most patronisingly worst bit

> trait of the ever so politically motivated urban

> elite, the way they feel obliged to make political

> statements by sticking party political sneers on

> menu boards outside pubs, or slogans/party posters

> in the windows of businesses. You should remain

> politically neutral, and people of my generation

> and before rarely discussed who we voted for, you

> just didn't do it. Walking down wealthy London

> high streets seeing all this guff is offensive and

> stinks of desperation.

>

> Louisa.

I'm with you all the way Louisa.

It's just standards of behaviour change over the years but for most of us it still shows lack of class.

Putting a political poster in your front window is akin to having "Support Arsenal". It does nothing other than irritate supporters of other clubs. And it would never make them change their allegiance. It is just an irritant.

In th epast when I have been undecided, I would look for such posters on my way to the polling station and mmade a point of not voting for any names that appeared on posters -where ever they were appeared.

They would be better off with a poster saying "Kilroy was here". Remember him?

http://www.kilroywashere.org/001-Pages/01-0KilroyLegends.html

[red devil]

One Who Does Wrote:

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> In th epast when I have been undecided, I would

> look for such posters on my way to the polling

> station and mmade a point of not voting for any

> names that appeared on posters -where ever they

> were appeared.

Made a point? Who to? Good to see the spirit of political conviction is alive and well...:)

[rendelharris]

I find this odd as I'm sure that in the first election I can really remember (1979) there were far more election posters in windows (and people used to put them on stakes in their front gardens as well) than today and that the numbers have been steadily diminishing ever since. I'm not saying anything for or against displaying posters, but I'm sure the idea that people didn't put them up in the good old days is false. I can remember party activists would knock and if one said one was voting for them they'd offer one a poster, haven't experienced that for many years.

[Jenny1]

Absolutely! You used to see many more in the 'old days', didn't you? Growing up in Kent in the 1970s I remember a lot of boards supporting different candidates in front gardens - and actually massive great hoardings erected in fields! Usually for Conservatives of course, this being a rural farming community. You were left in no doubt that the landowners were Tory through and through. In the nearby towns - Folkestone and Dover - there'd be more of a Labour and Liberal following - and actually more posters in windows rather than boards on sticks in gardens. I actually quite enjoyed the whole 'event' of an election. I was brought up by parents who were never shy of expressing an opinion and my father listened to political news coverage avidly. I seem to have noticed a general decline both in the display of posters supporting candidates and political engagement over the years. Would be interested to know what the percentage turn out was in 1979 compared with 2015 - will have to look for that.

[Jenny1]

...that was easy.

Turnout 1979 76%

Turnout 2015 66.1 %

[Nigello]

I also remember the lurid red and yellow/orange and black/blue and red of the respective parties' posters in windows and on placards in the '70s and '80s and find it odd that much more educated and - probably - politically savvy people nowadays here in our area don't do the same. I do agree that businesses professing their political allegiances are foolish because you can never be sure of your clientele: there MUST be Tory hipsters out there!

[jaywalker]

So what is the swing on the EDF poll? Can we access the results from the last GE? Depressing that 22% of voters in an area of cosmopolitan enlightenment are actually voting for the Tories (even if that was 29% an hour ago :-) ). I suspect this poll (the most up to date and statistically representative one we have) suggests a shock labour landslide (as in the 1945 election). It also reflects the fact that Helen Hayes is a bloody good MP.

[????]

Don't take too much notice of it, in 2010 we elected a Liberal Democrat on the EDF

[????]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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>

> > She went as Prime Minister of this country -

> she

> > didn't appear on their state media as a

> non-entity

> > MP condoning the west and taking money for her

> > appearance.

>

> Ah, so it's OK to act immorally and consort with

> murderous regimes when representing the country

> but not as a private individual. Gotcha.

You're an intelligent bloke RH even if we often disagree, you know in the realpolitik world that's the reality . Corbyn did it off his own back for cash when no-one took his anti-western views (now disappeared apparently) seriously except Iranian State TV and RT

[rendelharris]

Don't get me wrong Quids, I'm not saying Corbyn wasn't an utter twat to do what he did - but I regard May's cosying up to the Saudis as just as bad, indeed worse as she's giving Britain's imprimatur to the pretty heinous wrongs of the Saudi regime. The thing about realpolitik is that it removes any moral dimension and also has a habit of biting one in the arse when the winds shift: it was realpolitik to sell arms to both the Iranians and Iraqis during the 1980s and that didn't work out so well, did it?

[Green Goose]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Don't get me wrong Quids, I'm not saying Corbyn

> wasn't an utter twat to do what he did - but I

> regard May's cosying up to the Saudis as just as

> bad, indeed worse as she's giving Britain's

> imprimatur to the pretty heinous wrongs of the

> Saudi regime. The thing about realpolitik is that

> it removes any moral dimension and also has a

> habit of biting one in the arse when the winds

> shift: it was realpolitik to sell arms to both the

> Iranians and Iraqis during the 1980s and that

> didn't work out so well, did it?

Reality means we sometimes have to hold our noses when we do business with vile regimes.

The Al Yamanah deal with the Saudis back in the 80's was worth around ?43 Billion and kept huge swathes of UK industry working. It is still expected to pull in a further ?40Bn in support, training , spares etc.

The chances of getting more are slim however because BAE was charged in USA courts of "illegal accounting" in relation to this deal. In other words giving kickbacks. This expose means the Saudis will not place new orders with the UK because they were embarassed -even though the reality is that every arms deal involves kickbacks and uses middlemen. Been there and seen it.

Now, would you believe it but just a couple of weeks ago Trump visits Saudi and signs deals arms deals worth $300 Billion. Nice one, but very similar to the way that Capital Hill eviscerated BP over the Macondo spillage.

Politics and business are deeply intertwined.

[Sue]

jaywalker Wrote:

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Helen Hayes is a bloody good MP.

Agreed.

[Borky]

you pitiful fools ought to get out and let your hair down more. if you have any that is

[JoeLeg]

So you're feeling in a congenial mood this morning Borky? Good to see.

[Alan Medic]

Which bit did you edit Snor.....Borky?

[Borky]

Well its bollocks isn't it. we are a pitiful shithole of a country , seemingly entirely populated by miserable keyboard warriors with hypertension and erectile problems and utterly furious about everything. I am looking forward to the breakup of this construct of artifice so called UK and the resultant civil war that will likely lead to the easing of pressure on the NHS as a massive swathe of red faced over 50s are removed from the demographic.London will daclare itself a Britcity1, build a wall along the M25 and the rest of so called ingerland will resemble the cursed earth.

good morning