8 June

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JohnL Wrote:

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> There was a little "We love Corbyn" chant in the

> Great Exhibition late last night

>

> Awwwww :):)

Middle class twats on the piss....

[steveo]

Crying in their beer next Friday

[jaywalker]

but one suspects that if they (and I) are then you will be left to turn the lights out.

[steveo]

Never miss an opportunity to spread the word Jay

[Green Goose]

Pato,

You have said that with a great deal of passion. I can fully understand, joining the EU has been spectactularly beneficial for Spain over many years and even today Spain is a net beficiary when contributions are compared to receipts.

After Germany, the UK is the next largest contributor to the EU finances. On net terms we lose out by billions every year. On balance the majority of the people in the UK decided that the EU just was not worth the cost and they voted to leave.

It was not just a matter of money but more a matter of sovereignty. In 1974 Britain joined a Common Market, not a political, economic, montary and judicial union with ever closer political integration that will result in a federal system.

The UK is a great trading nation with a strong sense of individuality and independence. Germany and France had been at war over the last 2 centuries. That influenced their thinking in terms of forming the original common market alliance as a means of avoiding future conflicts.

The UK came to the assistance of Europe during two world wars but we do not see any sense in loosing our independence and soveignty for the sake of further integration in Europe. Spain was on the margins of Europe for many years due to Franco's fascist orientation but once he was gone, Spain was totally transformed by joining the EU. We have been diminished by it. It has cost us money.

Please respect our right to vote the way we want.

[jaywalker]

No, GG, we have been greatly strengthened and enlightened by our EU membership, and with positive net financial gain by any informed reckoning. Pato, please do not think that the majority of people in London do not agree with you - they absolutely do, as you will see with the election results for our great City on Thursday (whatever the vote in Ruritania). As someone who was born in, and worked all his life in London, I am proud to be a European and to stand with others as a European citizen: I know that the great majority of my fellow Londoners feel the same and are ashamed of many of the kind of posts you read here.

[pato]

Green Goose Wrote:

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> Pato,

>

> You have said that with a great deal of passion. I

> can fully understand, joining the EU has been

> spectactularly beneficial for Spain over many

> years and even today Spain is a net beficiary when

> contributions are compared to receipts.

>

> After Germany, the UK is the next largest

> contributor to the EU finances. On net terms we

> lose out by billions every year. On balance the

> majority of the people in the UK decided that the

> EU just was not worth the cost and they voted to

> leave.

>

> It was not just a matter of money but more a

> matter of sovereignty. In 1974 Britain joined a

> Common Market, not a political, economic, montary

> and judicial union with ever closer political

> integration that will result in a federal system.

>

>

> The UK is a great trading nation with a strong

> sense of individuality and independence. Germany

> and France had been at war over the last 2

> centuries. That influenced their thinking in terms

> of forming the original common market alliance as

> a means of avoiding future conflicts.

>

> The UK came to the assistance of Europe during two

> world wars but we do not see any sense in loosing

> our independence and soveignty for the sake of

> further integration in Europe. Spain was on the

> margins of Europe for many years due to Franco's

> fascist orientation but once he was gone, Spain

> was totally transformed by joining the EU. We have

> been diminished by it. It has cost us money.

>

> Please respect our right to vote the way we want.

I absolutely respect it and i believe You know as I also wrote it in my previous answer to You

I do not agree at all with it. I think going back to walls in 2017 is not great idea after previous generation has been at war to put walls down..It makes no sense to me. We looking forward no back. Going back is never an option in life. Once You gone out of europe things in here won t be the same than 20 yrs ago..sure you understand it

I respect anyway your decision although I would not take any decision on a 2% difference..also the 48% needs to be taken in account...in the end Scotland ireland and london did not want to go out so when You go out You should take them also in account. they not second class citizens..

I still believe nearly 50% of the country wanted to stay and perhaps not all the remaining 50% did want to go out this way. If for instance 20..10..or even 5% of the ppl wanting to leave did not want such an extreme brexit ..??

If it was even a 5% of them than result would have been different so ..i in this sense wonder if we are really doing what people want...or we simply doing what PM says You want to do, after campaigning for remain after saying brexit would be disaster for the country in several occasions ..

I personally agree with those ppl saying it was just a cat fight for power got out of control.and ppl have been just taken for a ride

From my point of view there was lack of discussion after referendum. People say they wanted to leave nobody said how..we had to go with a personal interpretation of the PM..a remainer ...not elected..a person that said for months brexit was a disaster for uk..

Anyway as i said i respect but do not agree at all but it s not really up to me to agree or disagree. Although here for 21 yrs (more than half of my life) although feeling part of this city and country it is not up to me to say..

If You want to be taken for a ride by someone looking for power at all costs ...feel free. In the end more than strong and stable it seems weak. PM has changed her mind on pretty much anything, would not say what she wants to do and how ...there is nothing strong and stable there..they ll do and say whatever just for power

Once again I respect the referendum but i m not sure they doing what ppl want. My best friend wanted to leave for instance but now he doeasn t want no more as he says he did not want this in the first place but wanted something similar to norway..but than his voice does not count...the voice of nearly 50% of remainer does not count so what or who does..?

Personally I do not feel anyway appreciated and respected myself. In 20+ yrs in here without an offence, without claiming any benefit and (thanx God) never been in a hospital i alone have been putting more than 1 million pounds in this country and its economy in taxes plus nearly the same amount in interests on loans or mortgages..

I have been giving work to 3/4 ppl with families ( so kids university mortgages etc etc) for the past 15 years and suddenly I become a bargain chip for a deal that...does not exist

There will be no negotiations. It s a divorce.

And even if there was a negotiation to be done I m not sure PM is the best at it as She managed to put off 27 countries well before negotiation begins..

From my side i never wanted europe in the first place. I do not like it, it does not work this way. But once we decided to go that way we better try to improve it from the inside (as france is doing now for instance. there should be a 2 speed europe in this sense) rather than leaving not to pay

This gouvernement has been separating families, deporting people, and using the rest as bargain chip..

does not want improve the EU but just go out of it keeping the same benefits without paying

Also I want to ask You something. Even if it was the case to leave europe do You find in this world as it is now, being on Trump side make sense? Is it worth (surely for money) making business with south arabia and the self proclaimed new hitler in the philippines rather than with europe??Is politic just business or there should be a bottom line of values there??

As you said You went into war to defeat germany and now you leaving them with even greater powers. does it makes sense?

I respect your decision to leave anyway but deeply disagree. I ll never be able to respect the way You (she) is doing it. I ll never feel home again here. i do not feel protected here as a person first of all and as an investor. whatever You decide to do I m leaving in december. I never stayed here for business, I stayed here for love of the country and the city of London. Some of my friends already left. One of them was the youngest lecturer in UK at University, a very bright and talented person now in bruxelles. Another one a surgeon quit his job here in camberwell to relocate in Germany..! None of them left for money as you leaving europe i want to say. it s a heart decision they do not feel home anymore here.

I personally have been verbally attacked twice in the streets of London since referendum..never ever happened before.

If You wanna go that way...it s in you your right. Go towards Trump. south arabia and philippines but...You not gonna use me as a bargain chip believe me..

I just feel bad for the people working with me and for their families and ashamed for a country which i love very much

Thanx for your answer anyway, i appreciate it and i see your point

I really hope that money you 'll save from the tiranny of europe goes into you hospital as promised before referendum but..unfortunately i do not think so. We ll see in a few years when possibly your NHS will be privatised by conservative and You ll be wondering where that money and all the promises went

I genuinely wish you the best

[pato]

also I d like to say that yes EU did good to spain but it didn t do bad at all for wales scotland and ireland as well..

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/report-claims-wales-gets-245m-11375402

a part from this i still do not believe it s only a matter of money. It s a matter to stick together in this hard time not to see ppl like Trump,south arabia or the self proclaimed new hitler be in charge..

But than ..you want to go precisely that way...

I will never agree but of course i must respect your decision. Unfortunately i believe it s more the PM decision than the country decision..but that s my opinion

In the end majority of ppl voting for brexit won t ever see the results of it. their families will though..

[Louisa]

It's probably the most patronisingly worst bit trait of the ever so politically motivated urban elite, the way they feel obliged to make political statements by sticking party political sneers on menu boards outside pubs, or slogans/party posters in the windows of businesses. You should remain politically neutral, and people of my generation and before rarely discussed who we voted for, you just didn't do it. Walking down wealthy London high streets seeing all this guff is offensive and stinks of desperation.

Louisa.

[robbin]

The EU has not really helped overall Spanish employment. Loads of people have left Spain to try to find work as a result of this.

Unemployment rate in Spain averaged 16.55 percent from 1976 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 26.94 percent in the first quarter of 2013

Youth unemployment rate in Spain averaged 34.64 percent from 1986 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 56.20 percent in April of 2013 and a record low of 17.20 percent in February of 2007

[titch juicy]

Louisa Wrote:

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> It's probably the most patronisingly worst bit

> trait of the ever so politically motivated urban

> elite, the way they feel obliged to make political

> statements by sticking party political sneers on

> menu boards outside pubs, or slogans/party posters

> in the windows of businesses. You should remain

> politically neutral, and people of my generation

> and before rarely discussed who we voted for, you

> just didn't do it. Walking down wealthy London

> high streets seeing all this guff is offensive and

> stinks of desperation.

>

> Louisa.

Absolutely wrong.

It shows that people have become more politicised and want to express their views and try and influence others. It shows that people actually care enough about the future to make an effort.

[Borky]

Louisa Wrote:

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> It's probably the most patronisingly worst bit

> trait of the ever so politically motivated urban

> elite, the way they feel obliged to make political

> statements by sticking party political sneers on

> menu boards outside pubs, or slogans/party posters

> in the windows of businesses. You should remain

> politically neutral, and people of my generation

> and before rarely discussed who we voted for, you

> just didn't do it. Walking down wealthy London

> high streets seeing all this guff is offensive and

> stinks of desperation.

>

> Louisa.

your craven deference to your betters and their rules of engagement does you no favours. You need to get that time machine coaled up and get yourself back to a time when your subervience is seen as an asset.

[Louisa]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > It's probably the most patronisingly worst bit

> > trait of the ever so politically motivated

> urban

> > elite, the way they feel obliged to make

> political

> > statements by sticking party political sneers

> on

> > menu boards outside pubs, or slogans/party

> posters

> > in the windows of businesses. You should remain

> > politically neutral, and people of my

> generation

> > and before rarely discussed who we voted for,

> you

> > just didn't do it. Walking down wealthy London

> > high streets seeing all this guff is offensive

> and

> > stinks of desperation.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> Absolutely wrong.

>

> It shows that people have become more politicised

> and want to express their views and try and

> influence others. It shows that people actually

> care enough about the future to make an effort.

And yet, when the people outside of London voted the way they did in the Brexit referendum, expressing a real political voice, the people of London and other wealthy urban centres ridiculed them and wanted democracy to be re-written because they didn't get the result they wanted. It seems to be perfectly acceptable to have a voice and express it in public, on social media, in the windows of pubs and other businesses, as long as it's biased towards some right on trendy urban audience. Making an effort, means walking out your front door on polling day and actually voting, rather than chanting political slogans in pubs or putting biased political phrases on boards outside of pubs.

Louisa.

[JohnL]

Maybe we should consider compulsory voting.

Nobody could complain then and the polls wouldn't have to make calculations on who would vote :)

Not sure what happens to those (in Australia) for instance who don't vote.

[red devil]

If a pub puts a biased political slogan (I'm not even sure they are that common anyway, I've never seen one) then surely they are pandering to their clientele for that area. I'm also sure if you lived in a pro-Brexit area there are similar things going on aimed at pandering to Brexit voters. You need to got out of your metropolitan elite bubble Lou...

[Borky]

JohnL Wrote:

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> >

> Not sure what happens to those (in Australia) for

> instance who don't vote.

they get transported to England

[steveo]

Where they're all behind bars

[Jules-and-Boo]

bars? - do you mean 'pubs'?

[JohnL]

red devil Wrote:

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> If a pub puts a biased political slogan (I'm not

> even sure they are that common anyway, I've never

> seen one) then surely they are pandering to their

> clientele for that area. I'm also sure if you

> lived in a pro-Brexit area there are similar

> things going on aimed at pandering to Brexit

> voters. You need to got out of your metropolitan

> elite bubble Lou...

I've no issue with it during the campaign.

It'll be back to bangers mash and cabbage after.

[JohnL]

Someones written "Theresa" all down the Cerne Abbas Giant's private parts.

Meanwhile Theresa May is speaking at a home removals firm :)

[Alan Medic]

Is this for real?

[Borky]

no

[JohnL]

Her haircut is quite ... radical, but then it was the 80s, step to the left :)

[Lordship 516]

Very daring - a bit of a mod..!

...but christian right...[wrong]

[Nigello]

Hairstyles change, says Ms Abbot - remember?