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Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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The only way it won't happen is if there is another referendum. What circumstances might bring that about? Without knowing the details of what Brexit will encompass there is no justification for one. Therefore the negotiations will have to proceed. If May doesn't get her mandate, what happens next is anyone's guess.......
JohnL

JohnL

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Green Goose Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > What is it with idiots asking for figures off

> the

> > top of peoples head at the moment.

> >

>

> I's like business, if you go into a meeting and

> you havn't got your figures and facts at your

> finger tips, you are toast. It certainly is in the

> businees that I'm in.


I'm not interested in the figures as long as someone

with authority signs them off.


Just carry a dossier with the figures in and give it to

anyone who asks - it should be trivial.

JohnL

JohnL

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Hurrah


Corbyn just did it right - as CEOs do it - introduced the NHS policy,

summarised it then introduced the shadow health secretary to go

through the details


That's what I see at corporate presentations.


And the shadow health secretary has a dossier :) :) :)


Edit: and as soon as Sky News realise this is the format they leave coverage :)

Dogkennelhillbilly

Dogkennelhillbilly

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robbin Wrote:

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> quoting that particular statistic

> about London, completely misses the point that not

> everyone in London is part of the (sneering)

> liberal elite. It is therefore a very bad point.


It's a very good point. Sneering and suggesting Bremainers are a metropolitan elite is a bad point (in fact, a bunch of cockwaffle). You can't make out that the elite consists of 48% of the UK population or 60% of the London population, especially when it was the poorest parts of London that disproportionately voted remain. You're just going to have to get over yourself and realise that plenty of people disagreed with you, and you can't paint all of them as "teh elite". Why do you care anyway? You won and you're getting your way - shouldn't you be pleased?


Saying "a lot of people are saying the same thing as I believe" is simply Trumpian and just shows there are other people talking rubbish.

robbin

robbin

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You said - "Why do you care anyway? You won and you're getting your way - shouldn't you be pleased?"


What are you talking about? If you bothered to actually read my post, you would have seen that I was objecting to what I thought was someone's offensive, condescending sneering at the 'simpletons' who voted Leave. As I said in my post -


"I didn't vote to leave, but I must confess that I find your sort of pompous sneering intolerable and embarrassing."


So, (as I didn't vote to Leave) I suggest you lay off the knee-jerk reactionary response and save it for some 'simpleton' that you think was 'stupid' enough to vote Leave!


That's 2 bad points. Maybe stop digging?

jaywalker

jaywalker

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If there is a hung parliament then there will be a pro-remain coalition (almost certainly involving neither Corbyn or May). This is the reality: we have had plenty of them before. There are then two routes to not Brexiting: 1. negotiate without compromise and put the 'they would have us walk alone' result to Parliament - it will not pass. Then ask EU for a reversal of Article 50 and call a General Election (NOT a second referendum) to confirm this. 2. negotiate and euphemise: deal on the internal market, migration etc - call it Brexit, but it will not be anything of the kind. Either way, Brexit doesn't happen. I even think this is quite likely if May gets just a small majority: she will not be able to hold her party together now that her reputation is shot.


Went to a 'rock-solid' Tory Midlands town today: not a single Tory poster in sight, only labour ones. What?? Oh! The local economy there has relied on several waves of hard-working and culturally diverse immigrants over several decades. People tend to own their own homes and are horrified by the dementia tax. And that is before the question of taking away free school meals and May's other and un-Conservative policy monstrosities.

edcam

edcam

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Yup, she's patently buckling under the pressure of having to appear strong on Brexit when she really believes it's the biggest disaster facing this country for many moons. I have little sympathy for her on anything else, mind you.


rahrahrah Wrote:

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> I challenge anyone to watch this clip and then

> tell me that May is strong and stable:

> https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/86990835

> 0019829760/video/1

jaywalker

jaywalker

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Poor Mrs Rudd. I do feel for her (well, not that much, but one has to be charitable). A dismal performance - one would expect better from a Junior Minister. She is no more a leader than her May-fly PM. Her dire showing on this programme made Corbyn look statesmanlike. And actually, he is beginning to show he is statesmanlike: people realise that negotiation and dialogue are of the essence, not stupid assertions of right. How quickly Tory ministers resort to lecturing their audience and think that pouring scorn is a substitute for explaining their own policies. Well done to the Scots for making that clear.


In fact it would be wise were the Tories to elect their Scottish Tory leader as leader of the main party as soon as possible. I don't think many of the old-guard male Tory cabinet ministers are going to survive this meltdown.


Interesting to see Fraser Nelson (of all people) on C4 news rounding on the Tory leadership as second rate and their campaign a shambles. But Will Self had the acid aper?u: there is no vote in this election that makes much sense given the system and what the parties have put before us.

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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jaywalker Wrote:

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> If there is a hung parliament then there will be a

> pro-remain coalition (almost certainly involving

> neither Corbyn or May). This is the reality: we

> have had plenty of them before.


You've lost me. A coalition government? Who between if Labour isn't involved?

Borky

Borky

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rahrahrah Wrote:

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> May's response to being asked about why she's

> sending Rudd to debate in her place is pure David

> Brent.


only a couple of days after Rudds father died. Then again, she was in work as usual the day after the father of her kids died as well. Not sure that mayhem ordered her appearance tbh. We should not underestimate the single minded lust for power these political lice have

Louisa

Louisa

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If you want to take any information from polling, look at some of the key marginals (limited data this election), but it seems quite clear that in classic 'mondeo man' land- where Blair won with considerable ease during his years of office, the Tories are a country mile ahead of Labour. The big problems facing Labour don't stop there, they are also splitting the unionist vote in Scotland more so than ever, which will help the SNP retain what they have. They also need to get turnout amongst the under 25's over 70% to even come close to a score draw (hung parliament). Will that happen? The jury is out, millions of youngsters have registered to vote, but will they bother to visit the ballot box on June 8th? For Labour to win this election they need the stars to align, much as they did for Trump in the States. He managed to galvanise working class votes in marginal states, evidence thus far doesn't show anything remotely similar happening here.


Louisa.

rendelharris

rendelharris

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Fair points Louisa - I must say that amongst the newly qualified to vote (friends' kids etc) there seems to be more enthusiasm for the concept of turning out than I've seen for decades. I think they saw last year that there's no such thing as a foregone conclusion and that's enthused them. If 2016 did anything it destroyed the concept that "voting makes no difference."
JohnL

JohnL

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Louisa Wrote:

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> If you want to take any information from polling,

> look at some of the key marginals (limited data

> this election), but it seems quite clear that in

> classic 'mondeo man' land- where Blair won with

> considerable ease during his years of office, the

> Tories are a country mile ahead of Labour. The big

> problems facing Labour don't stop there, they are

> also splitting the unionist vote in Scotland more

> so than ever, which will help the SNP retain what

> they have. They also need to get turnout amongst

> the under 25's over 70% to even come close to a

> score draw (hung parliament). Will that happen?

> The jury is out, millions of youngsters have

> registered to vote, but will they bother to visit

> the ballot box on June 8th? For Labour to win this

> election they need the stars to align, much as

> they did for Trump in the States. He managed to

> galvanise working class votes in marginal states,

> evidence thus far doesn't show anything remotely

> similar happening here.

>

> Louisa.


I suggested this on twitter - the polls that are close (YouGov

is at 42 to 39 now) don't use an algorithm to include the non

voting behavior of the young.


Corbynista "This time it's different you just wait"


To be true he is holding open air rally's that are attended by loads

of youngsters - maybe he is getting the young vote out.

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