Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Lordship 516 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> uncleglen Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> The Britain I know & am very comfortable with does

> not exist in NI.


Don't get too comfortable because the SNP have stoked up huge amount of animosity amongst the Scots working class (or non-working class)) against England in the last few years for their own political gain. Very sad really in my view as someone with Scottish interests.

rendelharris Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Robert Harris (no relation, sadly) in today's

> Sunday Times sums things up rather well, I think:

>

> "How did a stable, prosperous parliamentary

> democracy, granted a unique set of favourable

> opt-outs with the largest trading bloc in the

> world, including on the single currency and

> travel, throw it all up in the air on the basis of

> a 52-48 yes/no vote in a referendum ? a margin not

> normally wide enough to change the constitution of

> the average golf club?

>

> "What arrogance of intellect, what frivolousness

> of character, led our leaders to take such a

> gamble? Why did the Tory party rush to choose such

> an ill-equipped successor? Why did that successor,

> a ?remainer? herself, not seek to bind up our

> divided nation rather than opt for the harshest of

> all Brexit positions? Why did she call an election

> after, rather than before, triggering article 50

> and so deny the country a final say on its

> destiny?"


They've (the Tory Party) continued to put party before people & country.


The whole thing is stupid, ill thought out and dividing the country.



It feels like Darth Vader has invaded us.

Loz Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Lets put this another way: what is the collective

> name for people from "Great Britain and Northern

> Ireland", then?

>

> Answer: British.

>

> And, as of 21 May 2002, you can add people from

> the following places as 'British':

>

> Anguilla

> Bermuda

> British Antarctic Territory

> British Indian Ocean Territory

> British Virgin Islands

> Cayman Islands

> Falkland Islands

> Gibraltar

> Montserrat

> Pitcairn Islands

> Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha

> South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands

> Turks and Caicos Islands

>

> https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/br

> itish-citizenship

>

> https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/br

> itish-overseas-territories-citizen



Exactly Loz


These people are British Citizens, or have the right to British Citizenship, but are not necessarily British except in a loose collective term.

keano77 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------


>

> Exactly Loz

>

> These people are British Citizens, or have the

> right to British Citizenship, but are not

> necessarily British except in a loose collective

> term.


So they are British, but they are not British.


You are really tying yourself into a knot here. What exactly is your definition of 'British'?


And how would you apply that definition if someone from, say, Gibraltar moves to London? Or someone from Outer Mongolia emigrates to Birmingham. Or to Belfast for that matter.

keano77 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Loz wrote

>

> You are really tying yourself into a knot here.

> What exactly is your definition of 'British'?

>

> Someone born in Great Britain

>

> All the rest are Citizens. A Mongolian would be a

> Mongolian who has been granted British Citizenship


So you are saying Mo Farah is not British? Really? Are you sure you want to go to that place?


Oh, and Bradley Wiggins. And Justin Rose. And Chris Froome. And Cliff Richard. And Joanna Lumley. And Spike Milligan. And Freddie Mercury.


Not a British person amongst them?

British in the loose collective sense, yes of course.


Okay, let's look at a possible scenario. In the near future spacefarers will colonise the moon, Mars and other moons in our solar system. Children will be born on those satellites or planet. Now, through decent, adoption or any of the myriad other ways these children of British pioneering colonists will be able to claim British Citizenship.


Is Zigor from Mars British?

I think from all of what we have seen written here is that anyone who holds a United Kingdom passport

or even an indefinite leave to remain [entitled to apply for a UK passport] is 'British' if that is

the term that they choose to describe their status. Democracy & personal choice reign superior.


I have an Irish passport & a British passport [as a subject not citizen] but I would refer to myself as Irish

living comfortably & voluntarily in the UK.


I give way on my earlier point on what constitutes British but not what constitutes Britain. NI people are British but do not live in Britain.

I quite like this publication which comes across reasonably objective


https://www.globalgovernmentforum.com/uk-election-surprise-leaves-brexit-talks-uncertain/


Final line


So Britain is in a hole. And whilst it was David Cameron who carried out the early excavations, Theresa May has just made it a whole lot deeper.

rendelharris Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> A) I very much doubt Corbyn would betray his

> principles, much as I'm sure the right, having

> seen their own leader totally kick the idea of any

> principle beyond staying in power into touch,

> would like to think all others would do the same,


What is Corbyn's principled viewpoint on Trident? And what's in the Labour manifesto?


What is Corbyn's principled viewpoint on Brexit? Which side did he campaign for?


I was really impressed with Corbyn's campaigning despite disagreeing with a large number of his proposals. But the idea that he won't betray his principles in order to get into power is wrong. Corbyn finally seems to have accepted that in order to act upon his principles, firstly he needs to be in a position of power to do so. And if he has to pledge to keep Trident in order to get into power, despite wanting to scrap the whole thing, then that's what he'll do. Even if it is through gritted teeth and with his fingers crossed.

Cardelia Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> rendelharris Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > A) I very much doubt Corbyn would betray his

> > principles, much as I'm sure the right, having

> > seen their own leader totally kick the idea of

> any

> > principle beyond staying in power into touch,

> > would like to think all others would do the

> same,

>

> What is Corbyn's principled viewpoint on Trident?

> And what's in the Labour manifesto?

>

> What is Corbyn's principled viewpoint on Brexit?

> Which side did he campaign for?

>

> I was really impressed with Corbyn's campaigning

> despite disagreeing with a large number of his

> proposals. But the idea that he won't betray his

> principles in order to get into power is wrong.

> Corbyn finally seems to have accepted that in

> order to act upon his principles, firstly he needs

> to be in a position of power to do so. And if he

> has to pledge to keep Trident in order to get into

> power, despite wanting to scrap the whole thing,

> then that's what he'll do. Even if it is through

> gritted teeth and with his fingers crossed.


Corbyn has agreed to renew Trident as that's what the Labour party conference voted for. Nothing to do with betraying his principles, it's accepting the democratic decision of his party. Similarly, with Brexit, whatever his principles, he's agreed to abide by the democratic choice of the people. Nice try, but you can't equate accepting a democratic vote, whether in the party or the country, with the sordid grubbing around and cosying up to a bunch of rightwing homophobic creationist terrorist-supporting whackadoodles to try to stay in power by any possible means in which Mrs.May is currently engaging.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • If you're a fundraising intermediary, reporting promptly and accurately on how you've raised and spent funds seems quite important.
    • Does anyone know when the next SNT meeting is? I am fed up with my son being mugged on East Dulwich Grove! 
    • The issue must be everywhere at the moment. I was visiting a friend last week in Bermondsey, think we were walking  down Linton Rd & we dodged 7 dog poos. It was disgusting. 
    • Thanks for your message — I actually took the time to look into what CityHive does before posting my original comment, and I’d encourage anyone with questions to do the same. Yes, the Companies House filings are overdue — but from what I’ve gathered, this seems likely to be an accountant or admin issue, not some sign of ill intent. A lot of small, community-based organisations face challenges keeping up with formalities, especially when they’re focused on immediate needs like food distribution. Let’s not forget CityHive is a not-for-profit, volunteer-powered CIC — not a corporate machine. As for the directors, people stepping down or being replaced is often about capacity or commitment — which is completely normal in the voluntary and community sector. New directors are sometimes appointed when others can no longer give the time. It doesn’t automatically mean bad governance — it just means people’s circumstances change. CityHive’s actual work speaks volumes. They buy most of the food they distribute — fresh produce, essential groceries, and shelf-stable items — and then deliver it to food banks, soup kitchens, and community projects across London. The food doesn’t stay with CityHive — it goes out to local food hubs, and from there, directly to people who need it most. And while yes, there may be a few paid staff handling logistics or admin, there’s a huge volunteer effort behind the scenes that often goes unseen. Regular people giving their time to drive vans, sort donations, load pallets, pack food parcels — that’s what keeps things running. And when people don’t volunteer? Those same tasks still need to be done — which means they have to be paid for. Otherwise, the whole thing grinds to a halt. As the need grows, organisations like CityHive will inevitably need more support — both in people and funding. But the bigger issue here isn’t one small CIC trying to make ends meet. The real issue is the society we live in — and a government that isn’t playing its part in eradicating poverty. If it were, organisations like CityHive, The Felix Project, City Harvest, FareShare, and the Trussell Trust wouldn’t need to exist, let alone be thriving. They thrive because the need is growing. That’s not a reflection on them — it’s a reflection on a broken system that allows people to go hungry in one of the richest cities in the world. If you're in doubt about what they’re doing, go check their Instagram: @cityhivemedia. You’ll see the real organisations and people receiving food, sharing thanks, and showing how far the impact reaches. Even Southwark Foodbank has received food from CityHive — that alone should speak volumes. So again — how does any of this harm you personally? Why spend time trying to discredit a group trying to support those who are falling through the cracks? We need more people lifting others up — not adding weight to those already carrying the load.
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...