katie1997 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 DJKillaQueen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> But it's not 'most likely' that's the point...it's> just a theory. It could be the ONLY theory and> that still doesn't make it MOST LIKELY......that> is something you have decided for yourself.> There's no hard evidence for any of it....> > If you can't deal with counter argument without> taking it personally Sue then maybe you shouldn't> post in a forum. That's all I can say really to> the rein you feel you have to put on yourself from> making personal comments about someone you know> nothing about in person.DJKQ - Are you referring to yourself here or the McCanns? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 If the posters on this thread were taking part in an actual jury,the judge would call for a retrial. Ther is always evidence withheld that are not for public consumption. Like the Fred West killings, they said at the time he was involved with organising paedophile parties which involved people of standing. Next thing he hangs himself, that line of inquiry was stopped. Odd yes. We can only speculate. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpetuousVrouw Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I think the thing about which theory is most likely in any situation would depend on the evidence available. In this situation there are 2 theories that most people think most likely to have happened. One is that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger and the other that she died in the flat. I am unaware of any evidence that supports the abduction theory, even circumstantial so as the only evidence available points to Madeleine dying in the flat, it seems that this is the most likely theory.As Sue pointed out you could also say that she might have been taken by aliens, or eaten by a wolf or something. These could be theories, but without even circumstantial evidence pointing towards them, they would seem to be very unlikely theories. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Sue you are sick and need professional help. Please drop this thread. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 Chick Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Sue you are sick and need professional help.> Please drop this thread.xxxxxxxEh? What in your opinion is the evidence a) that I am sick and b) that I need professional help?Why should I drop the thread just because you don't like it?What is wrong with disseminating information which is already in the public domain but which the British press is on the whole ignoring?ETA: I have explained above why I started the thread. Please read the post. How does that make me sick? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I wouldn?t call you sick Sue, but I would say that, regardless of how genuinely correct one is (and it?s arguable in this case), but if several people (ranging from Mockney, to Bellenden Belle, to more extreme versions like chick) all shout out that you might be over-egging a pudding?.?. Then it MIGHT be time to think about how you are coming acrossI would also add that your argument?What is wrong with disseminating information which is already in the public domain but which the British press is on the whole ignoring? ?Is essentially what every nutjob organisation from David Icke, to BNP, etc etc all say with wearying regularity - ie it doesn?t help your case very muchThe louder you shout the less you convince Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 Fair enough Sean, but if you look through the sequence of posts, you will see that almost all my posts have been in response to points made by other people.If I don't reply it looks as if I am agreeing with them.:-SETA: and if the organisations you mention say the same thing, and the press is withholding factual information (you surely aren't comparing this to David Icke's lizard theory?), then isn't that a bit worrying, regardless of who the organisations are? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie1997 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier Sue...Edited to add: I mean about the bit that your responses were to the persistent questions from others. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 katie1997 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier> Sue...xxxxxxSorry, what is?ETA: Sorry Katie, I posted this before you edited your post above, ignore this post! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL9000 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Sue has presented reasoned and coherent arguments in this discussion - to compare her with conspiracy theorists is disingenuous, in my view. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpetuousVrouw Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I agree with HAL. I think the personal attacks on Sue are disturbing me more than any other content on this thread. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narnia Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 This is a local forum and in the lounge people are allowed to discuss within reason whatever they like. This would be similar to having a debate around a table in the pub IMO. To call Sue sick is completely out of order. Those who don't wish to debate this subject shouldn't read the thread if it upsets them.Sean, you are too impressed by who has posted what. This may be based on how well you know these people but is adding nothing to the debate. Implying Sue is a nutjob or could be construed as one is unfair. I don't believe Sue is trying to shout louder or convince people of anything. She is posting information and discussing possibilities.I find this 'case' intriguing. Some people here are treating the postings of Sue as if she were writing about a best friend of theirs. It's a debate, nothing more and nothing less. I can't see any reason not to debate it if one chooses to. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Should this debate be on the drawing room thread perhaps? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narnia Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Perhaps, but that would be a first. You don't usually get thrown into the Drawing Room,just out of it! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 The McCann debate has been had before in here. For more than 5 fekkin pages tooI'm not calling sue a nutter either. I just pointed out that the sentence she used isn't dissimilar to that used by nutters. So I wouldn't use it for exampleNarnia I'm not impressed by any particular individuals. There just comes a point in some threads where it reaches an impasse. Does anyone really believe this will end well? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I agree with Sean,This thread is getting very similar to the lyrics to this song, going round and round! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 SeanMacGabhann Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The McCann debate has been had before in here. > For more than 5 fekkin pages too> xxxxxxxxWhere? If I'd known that I wouldn't have started a new thread.I just did a search on McCann, but all that came up was the thread about young kids cycling to school by themselves, in which a comparison was made to this case. Is that what you mean? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narnia Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Nice song Tarot.Sean, it reaching an impasse is neither here nor there. There are other threads which may never reach a conclusion but it doesn't mean you have to stop debating the subject.This wont end well as over 3 years have passed, so how can it? However the death of JFK is still debated and that was a long time ago. If this couple were from South America say, nobody would be bothered. As it's close to home,people are.I would rather discuss it with people on this forum than gobble up whatever a tabloid journalist might write about it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJKillaQueen Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 It's here SueLost Child - Madeleine McCannThe thread is from 2007 so a search needs to be set to 'all dates' to find it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 Oh well if it's from 2007 I won't bother looking.Virtually everything about the case was speculation until the police conclusion and files were made public (or the parts of them that the police made public, anyway). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJKillaQueen Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 The thread spans five months and kind of chronicles all the developments at the time. You might find some of the comments of interest....maybe. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Sue I dont think your sick,I think some people dont understand why you are so tenacious about the subject.It is a sick world and no doubt in time, the truth will out.Everyone has their own views on this, and no doubt are just as ardent as you, everyone should agree to disagree and end it before it degenerates further into hostility between each other, it is the season of goodwill after all. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Quote Indeed Narnia but I would say there are other factors at play here1) This particular thread makes a lot of people uneasy. Argue all you like, it does. The sooner it disappears the better2) It's upsetting not just for the readers but the main participants, including the OP, appear to be getting ever more agitated - to what end? Noone is going to prove anything here, but the agitation will continue. 3) From a forum perspective, the prospect of someone saying something libellous on this thread is higher than usual - again for all pain and no gain Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 DJKillaQueen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The thread spans five months and kind of> chronicles all the developments at the time. You> might find some of the comments of> interest....maybe.xxxxxxxx I doubt it. I was a member of forums devoted solely to the McCann case at the time.I've got no interest in reading or rehashing old stuff. I'm solely interested in what is known at the moment. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narnia Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I really don't understand where you are coming from Sean but I will stop posting, given your request. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14841-the-truth-of-the-lie-the-mccann-case/page/6/#findComment-394851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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