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JoeLeg

JoeLeg

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uncleglen Wrote:

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> Peace and prosperity, clean air, workers' rights?

> ...I missed all that ...



You genuinely haven't noticed the increase in workers rights over the last decade or so?


Now you're actually trolling.


Oops, sorry, forgot it was Uncleglen, the walking talking definition of someone too cowardly to do more than toss personal opinions into a discussion then run before he has to back them up. Wouldn't want him teaching my kids, frankly.

Seabag

Seabag

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JoeLeg Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

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> > Peace and prosperity, clean air, workers'

> rights?

> > ...I missed all that ...

>

>

> You genuinely haven't noticed the increase in

> workers rights over the last decade or so?

>

> Now you're actually trolling.

>

> Oops, sorry, forgot it was Uncleglen, the walking

> talking definition of someone too cowardly to do

> more than toss personal opinions into a discussion

> then run before he has to back them up. Wouldn't

> want him teaching my kids, frankly.



UG wants to be angry, stay angry, punish those who made him angry. Whatever is going wrong doesn't matter, as long as 'those people' he's angry towards aren't getting what they want.

Louisa

Louisa

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Reality of the unknown, voted for by me and others like me, becomes ever clearer. We still have our membership card for a while, but the captain and crew are helping us pack up our little survival kit into our small lifeboat- preparing to sail off into the big wide ocean. I hope when we finally are caste adrift we don't encounter too many storms, because this little boat we are preparing feels kinda knackered, seen better days. Gulp.


Louisa.

TheCat

TheCat

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Its funny how many remainers claim brexit is a 'leap into the unknown', yet without a shred of irony, state with certainty that it will be a 'disaster'.....


This is a huge and complicated issue that has clearly divided a nation, so surely there must be some positives AND some negatives on both sides? But to read comments on popular and social media alike, one would think that to many Remainers there is NOT ONE redeeming feature about leaving, and to leavers there is NOT ONE redeeming feature to remaining...


We all just need to step back from shouting about how the other side are 'out of touch' and 'have no idea', whatever side one is on and appreciate that there are actually merits on both sides of this argument, if we just take the time to consider them....and the sun will continue to come up, and the power will still be on, whether we leave or whether we stay....

????

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I'm not and have never been a big fan of the EU but the uncertainty is self inflicted which is the main reason i voted remain. Funnily enough it's the 2-3 year vacuum that's the big issue for me - govt won't be able to concentrate on much else other than neh=gotitions whilst the public finances are still fucked and international businesses will vote with their feet. Where i agree with you is that events, whatever they are, create opportunties as well as threats so some good things will emerge - the relentless negativy or rose tinted positiveness is tedious. I am also chuckling that the general & ridiculous tone of banker/city bashing for the last 10 years has now been replaced by fear and horror at them 'going' by some of their most vocal critics (here and more generally).
red devil

red devil

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After the tub-thumping of her Tory party conference and Lancaster Gate speeches, May's letter looked decidedly conciliatory by comparison. As a Remainer I'm not one who wishes the economy to go belly-up just so I can later say ''I told you so''. It's a difficult situation to be in, I don't want Brexit to be a success because one day I would want us to rejoin the EU, but equally I don't want the country to suffer economically. Personally I believe there will be hardship, but probably no worse than the credit crunch, and we'll therefore have to put up with many more years of 'austerity'. But for me it wasn't just about the economy, there's the social aspect too. How we're perceived as a nation to the rest of the world. I don't particularly want to live in a country that's doing ok economically if it means isolationism, inward thinking, and an increasingly xenophobic and jingoistic outlook, and that's how it's felt since the referendum. Then there's the long-term political outlook. The hard-right of the Tory party seized their chance and have taken a power-hold on their party. May has become a puppet, the acceptable face of Brexit. They are hell-bent on leaving the EU at any cost, even if it means Scotland leaving the Union. And if that happens their grip will get even tighter. Overnight a Tory majority goes from a smallish one to a very comfortable one. In a democracy, regardless of your politics, an effective opposition is a prerequisite, and we certainly haven't got that now despite the Gov's small majority, and it's likely to get worse unless Corbyn does the decent thing. Still, the sun will continue to come up...
robbin

robbin

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Louisa Wrote:

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> Reality of the unknown, voted for by me and others

> like me, becomes ever clearer. We still have our

> membership card for a while, but the captain and

> crew are helping us pack up our little survival

> kit into our small lifeboat- preparing to sail off

> into the big wide ocean. I hope when we finally

> are caste adrift we don't encounter too many

> storms, because this little boat we are preparing

> feels kinda knackered, seen better days. Gulp.

>

> Louisa.


What, the fact there might be some uncertainty or upheaval never occurred to you before you voted leave?


I know you sometimes like to be a bit of a wind up merchant, but I don't believe you are that na?ve or that ignorant - quite the contrary.


Are you secretly wishing you had the courage of your convictions - rather than immediately giving in to all the hysteria in the bubble (the EDF being a bubble within that bubble)? Now, it turns out that almost every disaster that had been predicted has not materialised and in fact the markets and economy generally have improved since the referendum. No emergency budget (within a month) with massive tax rises, no crashing property market, no third world war - and before the usual suspects jump in with 'the pound has crashed' exaggeration, it is true there has been a significant reduction in what was a rather over-valued pound, but that cuts both ways as we are seeing - sure there's a potential inflationary downside in the short to medium term particularly, but there's also major benefits - a substantial increase in tourism, hotels sold out, restaurants busy, local businesses in London busier, exporters doing way better than before.


I'm not saying it is all going to be roses, but so far so good (albeit we have not left yet - obviously I just mean in comparison to the ridiculous scaremongering scenarios predicted for this stage) and there may well be as many opportunities as threats. It's just going to be different. It's neither one or the other, black or white, good or bad - its a very complex combination of good and bad. It's bound to be difficult and painful at times and/or in some respects, but in others it is likely to be better.


There's only one thing I am confident about, which is that those who constantly complain about the referendum result are not going to help matters moving forward and will only make themselves miserable. You are not getting another referendum - time to look back, recognise that you were bombarded with lies about looming disaster (just as you were with lies the other way about 350m for the NHS) and try to get some perspective. If you are still buying-in to the messages from those same people (the Osborne types) who have now been proved to have been completely wrong and/or lying, then you need to have a word with yourself because you are still being taken in.


I'm not suggesting you strap on rose tinted goggles, but be very wary of the messages of doom coming from people who have been proved wrong (and not just a bit wrong) already. If, by the way you do still believe what that well known newspaper editor George Osborne (and his ilk) say about Brexit, then I have some swampland in Florida that's going for a really good price - the market's just about to take off - get in quick!

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