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I watch in disbelief as people buy the Sunday Times. What are the values or insights expressed in this newspaper that might be productive to engage with? I fear, as a general rule, none.


In many ways I think it is worse than a tabloid. At least there one has the option of reading as if the model reader can sustain irony in response to what is written (this reader is probably the case for the journalists who produce them, thought not, perhaps, for the majority of empirical readers).

Remind me again - what's virtue signalling?


"I watch in disbelief as people buy the Sunday Times. What are the values or insights expressed in this newspaper that might be productive to engage with? I fear, as a general rule, none."


mmm- interesting and in fact amazing that you know so much and draw such sweeping conclusions on something you don't read?

The Sunday Times is sh!te though ???? - my mother buys it so I do see it sometimes. Not just because of its political stance though - I find the Telegraph a good read even though I disagree with virtually all its opinions - but because it has that Murdoch feel that its journalists are just people from The Sun with extra adjectives.

Loz Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > Please can we not use the phrase 'virtue

> signalling'.

>

> Yep, when people stop doing it.



I think tha as ????'S bought that phrase to the forum, he alone should be able to use it.

Loz Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > Please can we not use the phrase 'virtue signalling'.

>

> Yep, when people stop doing it.


Pretty much this. Sanctimony has always been rife on the good old EDF.

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Loz Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > rahrahrah Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > > Please can we not use the phrase 'virtue

> signalling'.

> >

> > Yep, when people stop doing it.

>

> Pretty much this. Sanctimony has always been rife

> on the good old EDF.


Isn't accusing people of virtue signalling just sanctimony in another form, in fact virtually virtue signalling itself?


Anyway it's become pretty meaningless now, it's so overused on t'internet - it's the new "political correctness gone mad."

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Isn't accusing people of virtue signalling just

> sanctimony in another form, in fact virtually

> virtue signalling itself?


Well, the problem is of course that it's not always easy to differentiate a boring display of soap-box sanctimony from genuine conviction, so it's not a phrase I often (if ever) choose to use myself. Besides, it smacks of newfangledism, which is so not me.


But nevertheless, blatant flashing of one's left-leaning credentials is a common enough occurrence amongst liberal Londoners. It doesn't usually bother me that much, but it can be a bit nauseating when people lay it on especially thickly.

"I watch in disbelief as people buy the Sunday Times. What are the values or insights expressed in this newspaper that might be productive to engage with? I fear, as a general rule, none."


This is much more old-fashioned and straightforward than virtue-signalling. It's called being a cock.

well, I think the whole thing about Peckham being top place to live is a test of Newspaper Power - if the newspapers say it, can it become true? Can it convince enough people to buy property in Peckham that it will eventually become the top place to live?


Quite a topic at our office lunch today... they obvs wanted the detail from their insider (me!)

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