Poor transport links: any one else thinking of fleeing East Dulwich?

[Bovine Juice]

Willard Wrote:

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> I was almost convinced until..... "And it borders

> the trendy areas of Penge"

>

> Joking aside, I also hear good things about

> Sydenham.

Trendy may be pushing it but it's getting less far fetched by the day. New bars opening including a brewery taproom, a thriving theatre and a vibrant street art scene.

[Dodo1]

We moved from ED a year and a half ago and don't regret it.

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> I would recommend Sydenham.

>

> Transport there is much better via access to three

> train lines (via Sydenham, Lower Sydenham and

> Sydenham Hill/Penge East). I am regularly at

> Canary Wharf in 30mins door to door. It will also

> further benefit from the Bakerloo Line extension

> passing via New Cross, with the possibility of

> directly linking to Lower Sydenham in the future.

>

> Sydenham also has improving schools and a number

> of lovely parks. While the choice of restaurants

> is not as great as ED, two of the restaurants have

> recently made the Top 10 in London on TripAdvisor.

>

>

> The Greyhound should re-open in the summer after

> its refurbishment, and rumour has it that a cinema

> will also open this year. The local gym is great,

> with excellent access to new equipment and

> classes.

>

> And its far cheaper, with larger houses. The

> Lawrie Park Triangle, Cator Road and The Thorpes

> are all examples of nice pockets to live.

>

> The locals are friendly as well. A good mix of

> young couples and families are regularly moving to

> the area.

>

> And it borders the trendy areas of Penge and

> Crystal Palace.

>

> Worth a look.

[Dodo1]

We agree! Moved a year and half ago and don't regret it!

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> I would recommend Sydenham.

>

> Transport there is much better via access to three

> train lines (via Sydenham, Lower Sydenham and

> Sydenham Hill/Penge East). I am regularly at

> Canary Wharf in 30mins door to door. It will also

> further benefit from the Bakerloo Line extension

> passing via New Cross, with the possibility of

> directly linking to Lower Sydenham in the future.

>

> Sydenham also has improving schools and a number

> of lovely parks. While the choice of restaurants

> is not as great as ED, two of the restaurants have

> recently made the Top 10 in London on TripAdvisor.

>

>

> The Greyhound should re-open in the summer after

> its refurbishment, and rumour has it that a cinema

> will also open this year. The local gym is great,

> with excellent access to new equipment and

> classes.

>

> And its far cheaper, with larger houses. The

> Lawrie Park Triangle, Cator Road and The Thorpes

> are all examples of nice pockets to live.

>

> The locals are friendly as well. A good mix of

> young couples and families are regularly moving to

> the area.

>

> And it borders the trendy areas of Penge and

> Crystal Palace.

>

> Worth a look.

[Jeremy]

helew Wrote:

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> Aw Jeremy, sorry you don't understand satire

Oh I understand it, but I don't always recognise it... maybe not enough smiley faces.

[helew]

😉🙂

[DulwichLondoner]

How many commuters from Sydenham here? Can anyone comment on the reliability of the connections to Victoria (from Penge East) or to London Bridge / overground (from Sydenham) during rush hour?

[edhistory]

Does Sydenham have a cemetery?

[Bovine Juice]

The service from Penge East is pretty good compared to some lines. Not many cancellations, though there are often delays of a few minutes. The trains can get crowded though as more people have moved away from zones 1 and 2 but work centrally. Penge East is often the last station where you can still get a seat.

[Louisa]

helew Wrote:

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> Aw Jeremy, sorry you don't understand satire

Not satire, yet another example of why London has been ruined by trendy outsiders wanting to move to neighbourhoods just to buy a property in a working class neighbourhood and feel 'edgy', whilst in reality their very being there is the start of spiralling house prices, displacement of the population born and raised in the area, and the homogenisation of traditional working class inner London.

This city is not a monopoly board, where you can play the pick and choose game make some money and move along, it's a real place with real people. I hate what's become of this place, I really do.

Transport links, who even spoke about stuff like this 20 years ago around here.

Louisa.

[helew]

Hear Hear Louisa ! Don't you just hate those 'trendy outsiders' what happened to those good old fashioned

friendly accepting working class neighbourhoods

[Zebedee Tring]

Nah, in the good old days the stolid workers of ED used to get up at 4am every day and walk barefoot to their work up town, even when the snow was 6 feet deep. Everyone was happy and didn't care about trains and buses - these were for softies.

[titch juicy]

Louisa Wrote:

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> helew Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Aw Jeremy, sorry you don't understand satire

>

>

> Not satire, yet another example of why London has

> been ruined by trendy outsiders wanting to move to

> neighbourhoods just to buy a property in a working

> class neighbourhood and feel 'edgy', whilst in

> reality their very being there is the start of

> spiralling house prices, displacement of the

> population born and raised in the area, and the

> homogenisation of traditional working class inner

> London.

>

> This city is not a monopoly board, where you can

> play the pick and choose game make some money and

> move along, it's a real place with real people. I

> hate what's become of this place, I really do.

>

> Transport links, who even spoke about stuff like

> this 20 years ago around here.

>

> Louisa.

NOTHING SHOULD CHANGE. EVER.

[Otta]

That's not what she said though titch. You've quoted her right there in your post.

[titch juicy]

Otta Wrote:

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> That's not what she said though titch. You've

> quoted her right there in your post.

Yes, I know, and I wasn't being entirely literal. Hence the use of jokey angry upper case.

[helew]

In the words of Monty Python ' Luxury '

[DulwichLondoner]

I say this as a homeowner: the orgasmic reaction of many homeowners when they learn their home has gone up in value never ceases to amaze me. If the appreciation means you are in a lower LTV range and can get a cheaper mortgage, by all means, great for you, but most people fail to realise that their house being worth more is virtual wealth, which you can only cash in on if you move somewhere where house prices are cheaper. If you want to retire to Nowhereshire or some sunny Mediterranean town (interesting to see what will happen post Brexit!), fine, but for the majority of people who still need to live sort of in the area, crazy house prices simply mean that the chances of moving to a bigger property and/or to a better area have become even slimmer than they were before.

Oh, and all of this is looking at the situation from a purely selfish perspective, without taking into account the impact on the rest of society as a whole...

[helew]

Absolutely Dulwich Londoner :-)

The migration of people to an area

I think is mainly driven by the desire to

Be near people who look, sound and dress like them

There's a mob/pack, mediocre mentality that's crept into

London... I don't think it's just about house prices

But rather greedy mundane people are attracted to each other.

The fear of difference seems to be making its way back into our society

[DulwichLondoner]

It seems the improvement to the service didn't last long after all:

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1682022,page=26

Overtime ban, new emergency timetable, reduced services, etc. Does it sound familiar?

[BrandNewGuy]

But that's industrial action, not a long-term change in the service. It makes sense to timetable the effects of industrial action for as long as it lasts.

[DulwichLondoner]

Is it? My understanding of the websites of SouthernFail and ASLEF was that members of this union will stop working overtime **till further notice**. Nowhere does it say that the ban will last from day X to day Y.

Have I misunderstood?

[BrandNewGuy]

Of course the strike isn't going to last forever :-)

[DulwichLondoner]

It's not a strike, it's an overtime ban.

Yes, it is probably not going to last forever, but, if previous experience is anything to go by (have we all already forgotten that trains used to run every hour in the morning rush hour for most of last summer?), this has the potential to cause severe disruption for a long period!

[Jeremy]

It won't last forever, but it's typical of the disruption we've sadly become accustomed to.

[BrandNewGuy]

DulwichLondoner Wrote:

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> It's not a strike, it's an overtime ban.

> Yes, it is probably not going to last forever,

> but, if previous experience is anything to go by

> (have we all already forgotten that trains used to

> run every hour in the morning rush hour for most

> of last summer?), this has the potential to cause

> severe disruption for a long period!

Well industrial action then. But you're suggesting that ED is a poor place to live because of its transport connections. Our transport connections IMHO are fine. When they're disrupted, they're not. Same as anywhere else.

[DulwichLondoner]

So it's all fine except when it's not! :)

A lot of areas served by Southern Fail have witnessed a level of disruption, since approximately Nov 2015 with issues at London bridge, which are AFAIK unheard of in the large cities of a developed nation. As a nation, we seem to love making fun of the French and their strikes, but I am not aware of anything even remotely comparable ever happening in Paris.

Sure, other areas have it worse; I met commuters from Brighton who were forced to spend many nights in hotels or crushing at friends' in London. But there are also other areas which have been less affected, e.g. Balham, from where Southern trains to Victoria have never run once every hour during rush hour, AFAIK and based on what local residents tell me.

There are many things I like about ED. Transport is not one of them.

So, no, it's not the same as everywhere else because:

1) areas not served by Southern have not witnessed a comparable level of disruption, disruption which, as this overtime ban shows, is not over yet

2) other areas served by Southern have been less affected

This doesn't mean ED is a terrible place to live, of course, but at least let's be honest.