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david_carnell Wrote:

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> Worshipping at the feet of people like this?

>

> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/roy

> al-marine-blackman-10-years-jail-taliban-murder

>

> Pass.

>

> John - you own a shop. Go for it. Make sure you've

> a large supply of Andy McNab books in stock.


Easy to comment from an armchair on a situation you have no real comprehension of. Not so straight forward for those caught up in the heat of battle and faced with the horrific realities of war on a daily basis for protracted periods of time...

bejam Wrote:

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> Of course I have not been to war. I am not stupid

> enough to join up.


So everyone who joins the military is stupid now. Luckily not everyone shares your opinion, otherwise I'd suggest, we could all be in a spot of bother.... The fact that you don't consider that a distinct possibility suggests you are, maybe, just a touch stupid...

Ron70 Wrote:

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> bejam Wrote:

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> > Of course I have not been to war. I am not

> stupid

> > enough to join up.

>

> So everyone who joins the military is stupid now.

> Luckily not everyone shares your opinion,

> otherwise I'd suggest, we could all be in a spot

> of bother.... The fact that you don't consider

> that a distinct possibility suggests you are,

> maybe, just a touch stupid...


Maybe I'm being prematurely dismissive, we should probably meet to discuss this. How about Sun 13 Nov around 11ish, somewhere around Whitehall?

bejam Wrote:

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> There is a slight difference between fighting when

> your country and kin is in peril, to being a

> trained killbot for geopolitical freebooting and

> neo colonialism of the latter half of the 20th

> century Ron. You know this.


An issue to be discussed with politicians, not soldiers, you must know that bejam

bejam Wrote:

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> There is a slight difference between fighting when

> your country and kin is in peril, to being a

> trained killbot for geopolitical freebooting and

> neo colonialism of the latter half of the 20th

> century Ron. You know this.



You of course are missing the interventions in the Balkans and more recently in the fight against Ebola but that's the problem with one dimensional thinking

david_carnell Wrote:

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> Worshipping at the feet of people like this?

>

> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/royal-marine-blackman-10-years-jail-taliban-murder

>

> Pass.


Ironically, that is just the sort of mindset people use to justify their hatred of Muslims/Jews/whatever.

Louisa Wrote:

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> david_carnell Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Worshipping at the feet of people like this?

> >

> >

> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/roy

>

> > al-marine-blackman-10-years-jail-taliban-murder

>

> >

> > Pass.

> >

> > John - you own a shop. Go for it. Make sure

> you've

> > a large supply of Andy McNab books in stock.

>

>

> David_Carnell why would you pick ONE extreme

> horrible example out of thousands of good service

> people who serve their country with distinction,





Bit like labelling the country as a disgrace because ONE nurse messed up and suggested a service man move away from A&E.



And on that subject, no one has mentioned the fact that not everyone does like soldiers, and the misguided member of staff MIGHT have been trying to protect him from getting a load of verbal from either some piss head or some nut job.



Personally I have nothing against our armed forces, but equally I find it nausiating when everyone throws the word "hero" around. You're not a hero just because you sign up, you actually need to do something heroic to earn that name.


What happened to Lee Rigby was disgustiong and terrible. He was an innocent victim of a hate crime, that doesn't make him a hero. Sorry if anyone finds that offensive, but there you go.

Otta Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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> > david_carnell Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > Worshipping at the feet of people like this?

> > >

> > >

> >

> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/roy

>

> >

> > >

> al-marine-blackman-10-years-jail-taliban-murder

> >

> > >

> > > Pass.

> > >

> > > John - you own a shop. Go for it. Make sure

> > you've

> > > a large supply of Andy McNab books in stock.

> >

> >

> > David_Carnell why would you pick ONE extreme

> > horrible example out of thousands of good

> service

> > people who serve their country with

> distinction,

>

>

>

>

> Bit like labelling the country as a disgrace

> because ONE nurse messed up and suggested a

> service man move away from A&E.

>

>

> And on that subject, no one has mentioned the fact

> that not everyone does like soldiers, and the

> misguided member of staff MIGHT have been trying

> to protect him from getting a load of verbal from

> either some piss head or some nut job.

>

>

> Personally I have nothing against our armed

> forces, but equally I find it nausiating when

> everyone throws the word "hero" around. You're not

> a hero just because you sign up, you actually need

> to do something heroic to earn that name.

>

> What happened to Lee Rigby was disgustiong and

> terrible. He was an innocent victim of a hate

> crime, that doesn't make him a hero. Sorry if

> anyone finds that offensive, but there you go.


I agree, joining the military and deploying operationally does not a hero make, it's your job... It's just a word over used by the media to suit their own purposes. Unfortunately, this has actually diminished the words impact when used in its correct context...

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