Boycott Picturehouse?

[apbremer]

Whilst I obviously cannot match the massive intellect and social conscience of JoeLeg, I have racked my feeble brain to try to understand why the pay of Cineworld staff, or indeed that of Sainsbury's. William Rose or any other business, should be of the slightest interest to me,or,for that matter to him or any of the other incensed individuals on this forum. Perhaps he/she could elucidate in words of very few syllables so that, in my ignorance, I can try to understand? I shall do my best but he must understand that it may well all be beyond me.

[JoeLeg]

Nice try, not biting. Enjoy your bigotry, that and your anger (to judge from your post history) plainly sustain you in life.

Feel free to trawl my own desultory post history for my opinion on LLW and PH.

[rendelharris]

Yeah JoeLeg, why should any citizen be concerned about the working and living conditions of other citizens! Leave it to the bosses you fool, they've got our best interests at heart!

apbremer is an honest and clear commentator, her/his admission of the possession of a feeble brain is absolutely spot on.

[Chick]

Why don't you just fuck off

pbremer Wrote:

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> Pathetic. Are we supposed to go into every

> business in lordship Lane and ask them what they

> are paying their staff?? Get a Life. None of our

> business.

[Chief]

ED Picturehouse is brilliant and the staff are great!

[Chick]

Agreed. It would be better if the staff enjoyed the T & C's that most workers enjoy.

Chief Wrote:

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> ED Picturehouse is brilliant and the staff are

> great!

[edphstaff]

Thanks so much for your support.

Here's the facebook event link if you wish to share it with anyone: https://www.facebook.com/events/199472583899752/

Due to restrictions around picketing from the new Trade Union Act and our union, East Dulwich Picturehouse will be unable to picket their workplace tomorrow while their on strike all day.

So we're asking for supportive members of the public to spend a few hours leafleting ED Picturehouse while the striking staff are at the rally in central.

The plan is to meet outside the Lord Plamerston (91 Lordship Lane) at 2.45, hand out flyers and talk to the public until about 7pm. Come down whenever you can! There'll be some refueling in the pub too.

Please invite any friends that might be interested

Thank you all so much!

[Green Goose]

edphstaff , you come across as a militant bunch of left wing whingers.

If you dont like the pay rate, why did you take on the work in the first place?

If you have the abilities, skills and work ethic to take on more remunerative employment then why not do so?

There are plenty of opportunities out there. Unemploymentt is at its lowest level for years and immigrants are flocking to this country to take up work.

Stop whinging and get real. The system we live with does not owe you a well paid job. The system pays you for the worth of the work you do. Market realities dictate pay rates. This is no socialist utopia. Such a thing does not exist.

Why try to encite others to join your cause and take up your struggle on May Day when you want to slope off to rub shoulders with the Corbynistas, Solidarity types and other delude leftists?

[rendelharris]

Green Goose Wrote:

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> edphstaff , you come across as a militant bunch of

> left wing whingers.

>

> If you dont like the pay rate, why did you take on

> the work in the first place?

>

> If you have the abilities, skills and work ethic

> to take on more remunerative employment then why

> not do so?

>

> There are plenty of opportunities out there.

> Unemploymentt is at its lowest level for years and

> immigrants are flocking to this country to take up

> work.

>

> Stop whinging and get real. The system we live

> with does not owe you a well paid job. The system

> pays you for the worth of the work you do. Market

> realities dictate pay rates. This is no socialist

> utopia. Such a thing does not exist.

>

> Why try to encite others to join your cause and

> take up your struggle on May Day when you want to

> slope off to rub shoulders with the Corbynistas,

> Solidarity types and other delude leftists?

What a spectacularly hateful person you are, GG, it does make me sad to think of what a miserable little life you have suppurating in your own bile.

[Chick]

Why dont you fuck off.

Green Goose Wrote:

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> edphstaff , you come across as a militant bunch of

> left wing whingers.

>

> If you dont like the pay rate, why did you take on

> the work in the first place?

>

> If you have the abilities, skills and work ethic

> to take on more remunerative employment then why

> not do so?

>

> There are plenty of opportunities out there.

> Unemploymentt is at its lowest level for years and

> immigrants are flocking to this country to take up

> work.

>

> Stop whinging and get real. The system we live

> with does not owe you a well paid job. The system

> pays you for the worth of the work you do. Market

> realities dictate pay rates. This is no socialist

> utopia. Such a thing does not exist.

>

> Why try to encite others to join your cause and

> take up your struggle on May Day when you want to

> slope off to rub shoulders with the Corbynistas,

> Solidarity types and other delude leftists?

[Jim1234]

The only conclusion I can draw from green goose's post is that they must have never have experienced the hardship of living on a low wage.

[Green Goose]

Gotcha again Rendell. You just can't resist can you.

GG :)

[rendelharris]

Green Goose Wrote:

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> Gotcha again Rendell. You just can't resist can

> you.

> GG :)

Don't try to soften your foul bigoted opinions by making it seem it's just a fun game - a smiley emoticon doesn't cover up what an unpleasant person you are.

[JoeLeg]

Green Goose Wrote:

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> Gotcha again Rendell. You just can't resist can

> you.

> GG :)

And neither can you, it seems.

Arguing that somehow PH staff aren't entitled to lobby for more employment rights and wages seems strange to me, I'm not sure why a job has to decline to a particular standard of awfulness before it's generally agreed that 'something should be done'.

I'm still none the wiser from your post as to why PH staff should somehow simply take it. I agree that it's not a terrible job, but the fact is that zero-hours contracts are being widely abused by employers and wages in London are decreasing in real terms. In a post-Brexit landscape where need to be able to attract decent workers to London jobs; how will we do that if the jobs don't pay enough to live on this city?

The debate needs to happen; why can't PH be the ones to do it?

[PennyDreadful]

Dear Picturehouse staff, you have my support! Afraid I'm under the weather at the moment and may not be well enough to join the local demo later (but will have a go if I improve by this afternoon). Good luck to you.

[Green Goose]

Jim1234 Wrote:

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> The only conclusion I can draw from green goose's

> post is that they must have never have experienced

> the hardship of living on a low wage.

Incorrect assumption.

I have been skint and had to take up low wage employment and it was then that I realised that the system we live with does not owe anyone a well paid job. Market forces dictate that a job only pays for the worth of the work one does. Market realities dictate pay rates.

GG

[Green Goose]

rendelharris Wrote:

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>

> apbremer is an honest and clear commentator,

> her/his admission of the possession of a feeble

> brain is absolutely spot on.

I feel put out Rendel, as I thought I was the only one you like insulting! You are showing your true colours now.

I stand by the view that I expressed but it seems you want to denigrate me and apb because we have opinions that you don't agree with. You are the bigot.

GG

[rendelharris]

If my true colours are that I have nothing but contempt for petty small minded rightwing bigots of your and apb's ilk then yes, I am showing them.

By the way please don't send me any more private messages - not interested.

[JoeLeg]

Green Goose Wrote:

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> Jim1234 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > The only conclusion I can draw from green

> goose's

> > post is that they must have never have

> experienced

> > the hardship of living on a low wage.

>

> Incorrect assumption.

>

> I have been skint and had to take up low wage

> employment and it was then that I realised that

> the system we live with does not owe anyone a well

> paid job.

As everyone's parents told them, the world doesn't owe you a living so to that extent I agree.

Market forces dictate that a job only

> pays for the worth of the work one does. Market

> realities dictate pay rates.

> GG

No, here I vehemently disagree. There are many jobs where market forces dictate wages, but many more where wages are determined by what people will agree to work for, also known as people having to take what jobs are available because that's all there is.

As a result there becomes greater acceptance of jobs that just don't pay much. There will always be entry level positions or really low skilled jobs that just aren't worth more than minimum wage, but the question is what that minimum wage should be. If it isn't enough to live in the location of the job then what's the point?

We don't have to pay people in excess of what the job is worth, but we do have to of them enough to make it worth taking the job in the first place. As I'm always saying, this town is expensive to live in, but a lot of us live here and want services that need to be staffed by people. If we want to spend money on decent experiences then those people need to be motivated, and money is the prime way of doing that.

[JohnL]

Green Goose Wrote:

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> Jim1234 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > The only conclusion I can draw from green

> goose's

> > post is that they must have never have

> experienced

> > the hardship of living on a low wage.

>

> Incorrect assumption.

>

> I have been skint and had to take up low wage

> employment and it was then that I realised that

> the system we live with does not owe anyone a well

> paid job. Market forces dictate that a job only

> pays for the worth of the work one does. Market

> realities dictate pay rates.

> GG

But why should it always be like that.

Society is changing and I cam coming around to a universal

salary at some point or other.

People should really do what they enjoy doing (and that's

the advice I always give young people)

[edphstaff]

our community demo was really successful yesterday - thanks to all those who took part and the customers who didn't go in or got a refund.

we will be organising another strike quite soon and i'll keep you posted about it on this or you can email [email protected]

also thanks for the supportive comments here. as for the rest, we wish you the best of luck.

[Jeremy]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Society is changing and I cam coming around to a

> universal salary at some point or other.

>

> People should really do what they enjoy doing (and

> that's the advice I always give young people)

Surely that's a flawed concept though - no person in their right mind would actually enjoy most of the jobs that are available/necessary. It's only a privileged few who are able to follow their passion for a living (even if that means sacrificing wealth in order to do so, they've still had the luxury to make that choice). Not that I'm suggesting this is necessarily applicable to the Picturehouse debate, mind you.

[JohnL]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Society is changing and I cam coming around to

> a

> > universal salary at some point or other.

> >

> > People should really do what they enjoy doing

> (and

> > that's the advice I always give young people)

>

> Surely that's a flawed concept though - no person

> in their right mind would actually enjoy most of

> the jobs that are available/necessary. It's only a

> privileged few who are able to follow their

> passion for a living (even if that means

> sacrificing wealth in order to do so, they've

> still had the luxury to make that choice). Not

> that I'm suggesting this is necessarily applicable

> to the Picturehouse debate, mind you.

Maybe I'm just plying it safe (10 years down the line

someone says why'd you tell me to become a coder)

I wish I could be doing something I really loved - but

yes probably most people work to pay the bills.

[Duvaller]

Certainly in industry, commerce, banking etc you are paid by results and responsilibities generally speaking. Pay is also influenced by the results are being achieved by the person involved.

This is increasingly valid the higher up the ladder one progresses. Or call it the greasy pole because the higher up the pole you get, the greasier the pole becomes, but the pay and rewards become exponentially greater.

Having progressed from the being a 16 year old trade apprentice to becoming CEO of a manufacturing company I can agree that it would be nice to only do a job that one likes doing. But that is not always the case when starting out. Also as one gets to the upper levels of the greasy pole, you have to do things that you don't enjoy doing. The risks, and responsibilities can take a heavy toll and temper the enthusiasm. There's also the matter of insecurity at higher levels as some of those below have ambitions to kick you off the pole.

On the plus side, we have a free labour market in the UK. As a consequence, thousands of people come to the UK every year just to take up work. It's up to each person to find themselves a job. What they make of that job is up to them. If one already has a job it's easier to find another job and progress on from there.

If starting out in a low paid job in an expensive city then one has to minimise living costs such as accomodation and transport. To many that may mean sharing and that could be 8 people living in a two bedroom flat.

What are the alternatives to a free labour market? Communism? That didn't work.

If someone comes up with a better system that is sustainable then please post it here so we can all read about it.

[rendelharris]

Duvaller Wrote:

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> If starting out in a low paid job in an expensive

> city then one has to minimise living costs such as

> accomodation and transport. To many that may mean

> sharing and that could be 8 people living in a two

> bedroom flat.

>

> What are the alternatives to a free labour

> market? Communism? That didn't work.

So in your mind there's no middle ground between a complete free-for-all where employers can pay exactly what they want even if it means people can only afford to live in slum conditions and...communism. Interesting.