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JohnL

JohnL

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legalalien Wrote:

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> Agree. Although the idea of a box of votes sitting

> in a room in philly, awaiting a court decision to

> determine the outcome of the election, has lots of

> dramatic tension..☺️


LOL and it might very well happen.

Siduhe

Siduhe

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JohnL Wrote:

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> Biden won't want it to go to Pennsylvania -

> Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan might do

> it.


The "paths to victory" infographic on the NYT is very good on this - about 2/3 of the way down the page:


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/forecast-president.html

Dan-the-man

Dan-the-man

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One simple way they could make the electoral college much better would be for states to award their electoral college votes proportionally i.e. if 60% of state goes to Biden, he gets 60% of electoral college voters for that state, rather than all the electoral college votes.


I think only Maine and Nebraska have this proportional voting system (which is why they are marked differently on the electoral college maps).


Most states choose for all their electoral college votes to go to the winner of their state (even if it is 51-49). The reason being is that this makes winning their state more important and thus gets them more attention/money spent on them etc. If they were awarding their electoral college votes proportionately, such states would get less individual attention from presidential candidates., as they would rather concentrate their time/resources on flipping marginal states to their side and getting *all* their votes.


It is up to states to choose how to approach this issue (which is why Maine/Nebraska have chosen differently), but there is a competitive logic pressurising states to choose all their electoral college votes to go to the winner.

Blah Blah

Blah Blah

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At the end of the day, this is the same process that every US election has been decided upon all the way back to the civil war. Trump didn't mind postal ballots when he won did he? Five times Republicans have lost the popular vote and still won the college. This has never been the case for the Democrats. Trump is in no place to complain about the system. Nor is anyone else.


Essentially he is a man who can not deal with losing, that is all there is to it. And both parties seem to have increased their vote this time round. Claiming ballot fraud, when every single postal ballot is checked and verified is the rant of an imposter who doesn't even understand the electoral process that put him in the White House. There is nothing illegal about postal ballots, and although the Supreme Court decided that ballots posted before election day that arrive up to three days later can be counted, they are not likely to be in the kinds of numbers that decides the outcome.


Sometimes elections are close, especially in the USA. Trump needs to learn some grace, let the count finish, and if following any reasonable recounts, he loses, take it on the chin and respect democracy.

JohnL

JohnL

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Democrats still think Trump can't do Arizona - and Fox hasn't uncalled it.


"Trump would have to receive at least 57 percent of votes that remain to be counted in other parts of the state as well, including counties that tend to vote Democratic.


Biden?s narrow edge underscored a profound political shift in Arizona, a longtime Republican bastion that has lurched left in recent years, fueled by rapidly evolving demographics and a growing contingent of young Latino voters who favor liberal policies."

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Blah Blah

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Close margins are nothing new in the USA and the swing states are always the same. Every now and then, they get a swing that breaks that mould. The media and social media are in an era of making mountains out of molehills.


Take the rust belt for example. Those states are normally Democrat. Trump broke the mould to take them last time round. He made promises to those states he has not delivered on. Is anyone really that surprised they are swinging back to Democrat?


Similarly, the swings in Wisconsin, Nevada,etc. These are big farming states. What did Trump do to farmers? He started a trade war with China that wiped out their exports overnight. Then, realising this was going to hurt him in the election, he scrambled together an aid package about 18 months ago. But the damage was already done. So no surprise to people in those states that a swing away from Trump is emerging.

malumbu

malumbu

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Interesting how the two furthest states, Alaska and Hawaii, are inversely mirrored.


This election matters to us all with the US being the second most powerful country in the world. The 'us/me first' espoused by the current president, hides the bigger picture on a divided nation, foreign policy, the environment and the like. The latter would be the one persuasive reason for voting in the rather uninspiring Biden. But is the "I'll vote for Trump as I have been, and will be better off, he takes no shite and tells it as it is, irrespective of the craziness" of much of America that much different to what has happened here? Our lampooning of Trump, such as Spitting Image the other day, makes no difference to middle America. And if Biden does get in, he has had to rely on the catastrophic handling of Covid-19 rather than his own policies - wonder how the votes of 240,000 lost in the last six months or so would have affected the outcome (now that is conspiracy theory territory)

Seabag

Seabag

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I?m tired of this, literally. I?ve been up and back to bed every few hours in the last two nights. It?s weirdly enjoyable though, but glad it?s only every four years.


However, I?m either going to have nothing to talk about, or be Trump watching for another four years. I?m sure my partner is looking forwards to both situations. The last term has been ?fascinating? to say the least (my words not hers 🤪)

malumbu

malumbu

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God this is knackering, I hoped it would be all over by bedtime but it's so slow I'm going to bed now. I've been e-mailing friends and rellies in the States who are all playing it with a straight bat, "whoever wins, that's democracy and we should all respect the outcome" but of course we are all hoping that Biden's vote will continue to increase and he will win by more than 270/268. He is so insipid but hopefully we will be proved otherwise. I think we in the UK are so anti-Trump with the exception of Farage and the Tory right that we fail to see why he attracts the middle America vote - we are better off, we want these naughty people put in their place (law and order), we don't see the world beyond our county or state borders, it's all a commmie conspiracy. Bit like middle England really. Except a massive internal market, natural resources etc. They can get away with being insular. (Sweeping generalisations)


PS I have a sneaky feeling that Trump new that late votes would surge towards Biden and hence the combative approach of challenging postal votes etc in recent weeks etc etc.

hpsaucey

hpsaucey

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malumbu Wrote:

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'PS I have a sneaky feeling that Trump new that

> late votes would surge towards Biden and hence the

> combative approach of challenging postal votes etc

> in recent weeks etc etc.'


Understatement. He / his team been planning for this eventuality for months given rhetoric around postal service etc going way back.

HP

JohnL

JohnL

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hpsaucey Wrote:

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> malumbu Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> 'PS I have a sneaky feeling that Trump new that

> > late votes would surge towards Biden and hence

> the

> > combative approach of challenging postal votes

> etc

> > in recent weeks etc etc.'

>

> Understatement. He / his team been planning for

> this eventuality for months given rhetoric around

> postal service etc going way back.

> HP


As CNN are repeating he called for his supporters not to use mail in ballots


It was a self fulfilling prophecy

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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Watching Trump and his supporters turn on Fox News illustrates exactly why the message "liberals need to listen and understand" is just a folly


We can surely all agree that Fox News has been nothing but an ally of those Trumpism - but when they report an objective truth, supporters go crazy. There is no reaching many of these people

hpsaucey

hpsaucey

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JohnL Wrote:

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> hpsaucey Wrote:

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> -----

> > malumbu Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> >

> > 'PS I have a sneaky feeling that Trump new that

> > > late votes would surge towards Biden and

> hence

> > the

> > > combative approach of challenging postal

> votes

> > etc

> > > in recent weeks etc etc.'

> >

> > Understatement. He / his team been planning for

> > this eventuality for months given rhetoric

> around

> > postal service etc going way back.

> > HP

>

> As CNN are repeating he called for his supporters

> not to use mail in ballots

>

> It was a self fulfilling prophecy


👍

hpsaucey

hpsaucey

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Sephiroth Wrote:

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> he's never not had an "out" before

>

> whereas there is no escaping this harsh reality



Agree. Narcissists don't like having their world view challenged/ripped away. They're extra dangerous at those times.


HP

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