A general thread to discuss Trump

[diable rouge]

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[KidKruger]

YeH pretty pathetic - him of all people. Perhaps trying to obviate himself from blame.

JohnL Wrote:

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> Some guy called James Murdoch is criticising the

> media for propagating lies

>

> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jan/16/jame

> s-murdoch-says-us-media-lies-unleashed-insidious-f

> orces

[malumbu]

Wow I've never seen this word before: excoriating - from the Grauniad article. More seriously has this thread run it's course/evolved into the bigger issue of US democracy, the evolution of the Republican Party, populism and the US's place as leader of the free world? Now that he will be out shortly. OK that is four threads....

[KidKruger]

Despite Trump reportedly recently refusing to pay Rudy Giuliani his 2mths of fees, he's now apparently representing the (what will be) ex-Pres for the Senate prosecution after the inauguration. I'd be interested how that works - for either of them !

[JohnL]

Welcome back to the "Rules based liberal world order" says CNN and states other nations especially in Europe seem to agree.

Hope the UK agrees.

[KidKruger]

?Trump Pisses on Democracy on 6/1/21?

[JohnL]

Trump Has left the White House.

[zerkalo]

Finally arguably the worst president in US history is out. It's worth remembering some of those in the UK who, for their own reasons, thought highly of him and his presidency.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ddb820aa10e3321e5978416f58b49279e89c7d56/1109_1533_5630_3379/master/5630.jpg?width=605&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=908301a74f9abde7fcee6547a4bf0aed

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59097c452179605b11ad9086/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/Nigel-Farage-PoI-2.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErZVCJfXcAAhPyy?format=jpg&name=medium

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/20/trumps-flaws-many-better-britain-biden/

This is just a selection...

[EDGman]

No one could argue that Trump is anything other than a dumb narcissist who should never have become president. But his rhetoric chimed with many, many Americans. 75 million voted for him.

Looking ahead, all it will take for the Republicans to get back in is for them to select an intelligent and adept candidate who will espouse 95% of Trump's policies.

[diable rouge]

[KidKruger]

Trump being dumb is an incorrect observation.

He didn't take top job to do something for the country, it was all about him, by calculation.

He knew Covid was serious (he has advisors including Fauchi) but was either not interested or too inexperienced to do something about it.

The lies he told (@ 41,000+ ?) were not accidental slips of the tongue, he was trying to mislead and manipulate people.

The fact that he doesn't know capitals of other countries etc, is just because he's not interested, he doesn't care.

He is a narcissist tho.

[malumbu]

Its easy to throw rocks at Trump, I've thrown enough, but his legacy includes Biden adopting America first, in terms of jobs, and not curbing fossil fuel use and some exploration. OK the positives outweigh the negatives and pleased that he lived for his inauguration. Hopefully to see out his presidency too. But doesn't feel particularly radical..

[alice]

I salute intexas for starting this amazing thread.

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[JohnL]

From MAGA to GAGA

[Seabag]

We?ve not heard the last bit of Trump news.

A lot more to come, hopefully he?ll end up in jail.

[Blah Blah]

Trump may be out of office but the legacy remains. There is a lot of work for America to do if those divisions are ever going to narrow. I watched the inauguration after show with some discomfort if I am honest. Celebrity after celebrity, most of them wealthy beyond their wildest dreams and thought, just what is going to change here? The problem is the notion of elitism and Biden is never going to reach those millions who bought into Trump in that way. The radical thing to do would have been an after show led by ordinary people, something that at least tried to represent ordinary America. And that really is the question isn't it? Trump may have been part of that elite, and indeed the swamp itself, but he at least raised the question of draining it. Public consciousness has changed. Virtual signalling from wealthy elites isn't going to work anymore.

[Nigello]

The idea that Biden and Harris will be radical is laughable. There are too many vested and powerful interests in the US for there to be anything really radical, like, for example, a nationwide network of high-speed trains, universal income, etc. America is conservative and elites - left and right - rule. The Twitterati are en vogue right now but both the P and VP are long-time politicians who know they have to compromise and water down their attractive, vote-grabby "promises". Right now, just turning back the clock on Trump's decisions is just that - a 180 turn of the dial. The right-wing will continue to have influence and any number of millennial-friendly concerts won't change that. Also, millennials get older and have to pay bills and deal with life and will lose their zeal, at least a fair share of them. Now, had it been the other very old man with white hair, maybe it would have been different...

[JohnL]

WHAM - Well Nigello he's certainly upset the TERFs on day one - might or might not be radical depending on your stance but he's sticking to his principles.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/01/10272481/biden-executive-order-transgender-women-girls-protection

On to day two.

[JohnL]

And BAM - All undocumented Immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship

Imagine Priti Patel doing that - although she's just call them illegal aliens.

"And top Latino and immigrant advocacy groups who?ve seen details of the coming package said they were stunned by the boldness of Biden?s plan."

?We were totally floored by the immigration plan and the level of clarity,?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/15/biden-immigration-plans-459766

[keano77]

Perhaps Nancy and her gang should now consider resigning?

[snowy]

Tell me who just said this Keane:

"There's no question - none - that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."

[wordsworth]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Perhaps Nancy and her gang should now consider

> resigning?

For goodness sake?!

[KidKruger]

Republicans should be ashamed of themselves, hiding behind ?law? and ignoring what Trump did.

Oh well, they can?t deny they had the chance when this goes tits up.

[Seabag]

Now Melania can divorce him

[keano77]

snowy Wrote:

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> Tell me who just said this Keane:

>

> "There's no question - none - that President Trump

> is practically and morally responsible for

> provoking the events of the day."

One of 43 senators who voted that Trump was not guilty of incitement of insurrection