Petition calling for Donald Trump's state visit to be banned smashes 100,000 signatures

[IlonaM]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/petition-calling-for-donald-trumps-state-visit-to-be-banned-smashes-100000-signatures-hours-after-a3452646.html

Sign the petition here if you are minded to: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

[nxjen]

Over 320,000 now

[Loz]

I can see why people are signing this, but I'd like us talking to Trump more, not less. Goodness knows he needs better influences than the dubious bunch he has filled the top jobs with.

I think TM got some more encouraging stuff out of Trump last week (not least some support for NATO) so I'd like to see her exerting more influence over him.

[malumbu]

Better he come so we can give him a nice welcome. But worth signing the petition to get it debated and show the views of many.

On the point of 'many', many in the US agree with what is happeing, and many of those who are maybe more aware of the wider impacts will be happy with a bit of collateral damage if he does make "US great" again, whatever that means. Not that it makes it right.

[sjsl]

Agree Malumbu, let him come over so we can give him a nice big welcome :)

[????]

AREN'T I VIRTOUS LOOK AT ME.........back in the real world nothing achieved. People protesting when the Chinese President came over 2 years ago? A mere handful - a torrent of mass knickerwetting

[ed_pete]

Read the petition - it's not calling for him not to come but just not as a State visit - could still see Nige and Theresa and have a round of golf.

[Bumpkin]

Ok ????, but what do you suggest people do? It's a serious question as I'm very concerned about the direction that Trump and the impact of Brexit is taking us and would like to do something positive to offset these events rather than just moan to my friends and carry on with my nice little life. Signing petitions and going on marches can be sneered at as a 'look at me' or disregarded as of no ultimate impact, but is it better to just carry on with your day job feeling frustrated about the events unfolding around us? I don't honestly know. I'm not able to give up my job and start doing anything amazing but don't want to just be a miserable spectator. Advice welcome..

[jaywalker]

???? Wrote:

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> AREN'T I VIRTOUS LOOK AT ME.........back in the

> real world nothing achieved. People protesting

> when the Chinese President came over 2 years ago?

> A mere handful - a torrent of mass knickerwetting

I guess the capitalisation speaks volumes. Truly, you have raised a single empty-signifier (ok, I confess, academic language - see Levi-Strauss in the Introduction to the works of Marcel Mauss) to an over-arching slogan of being in the right. The line that any political position against someone is a 'virtuous' posturing would condemn all political discourse. That cannot be right.

[DulwichFox]

Right another 100,000+ people now on the Banned from travel to the USA list..

Foxy

[????]

Shouting Trump Out is not political discourse; and a completely subjective observation is that most people who go on marches of this sort aren't really up for discourse anyway, or only a discourse within their comfort/political zone..... strikes me your not that much one for discourse either to be honest.

U/C on the internet is well known, among us plebs anyway, of being indicative of shouting, which was my point, as I'm sure most people realised before your academic deconstruction....

[jaywalker]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Right another 100,000+ people now on the Banned

> from travel to the USA list..

>

> Foxy

Foxy, I fear you will find that it is rather more than that already.

[jaywalker]

???? Wrote:

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> Shouting Trump Out is not political discourse; and

> a completely subjective observation is that most

> people who go on marches of this sort aren't

> really up for discourse anyway, or only a

> discourse within their comfort/political zone.....

> strikes me your not that much one for discourse

> either to be honest.

>

> U/C on the internet is well known, among us plebs

> anyway, of being indicative of shouting, which was

> my point, as I'm sure most people realised before

> your academic deconstruction....

I guess you mean 'dialogue' rather than 'discourse' here. If so, no I do not want any dialogue with Trump, his supporters or those who cravenly submit to his will. The pleasures of hand-holding aside, what would be the reason for doing so?

[????]

Bumpkin Wrote:

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> Ok ????, but what do you suggest people do? It's

> a serious question as I'm very concerned about the

> direction that Trump and the impact of Brexit is

> taking us and would like to do something positive

> to offset these events rather than just moan to my

> friends and carry on with my nice little life.

> Signing petitions and going on marches can be

> sneered at as a 'look at me' or disregarded as of

> no ultimate impact, but is it better to just carry

> on with your day job feeling frustrated about the

> events unfolding around us? I don't honestly

> know. I'm not able to give up my job and start

> doing anything amazing but don't want to just be a

> miserable spectator. Advice welcome..

Ok Bumpkin - firstly read plenty of contrary views and opinions then perhaps you won't panic as much (this is especially true for Brexit i've found) - social media is a horrible magnifier of echo Chamber stuff much of it false, misquoted, out of context etc. I've long read the New Statesman & the Spectator for some at least reasonably well argued and based on fact different points of view (so you obviously avoid the Daily Mail and The Canary on the same basis.) The polarisation into extreme viewpoints that Social media encourages and magnifies is terrible - i personally don't think we are tiptoeing into fascism - there has been a profound political shift globally away from something we've had but we need to be realistic about what that is rather than shrieking Nazis at anything which isn't our viewpoint.That's been part of the problem.

- I voted remain and would rather Clinton (deeply uninspiring as she was) was POTUS - but am moving on with these democratic decisions constructively, good for your peace of mind too.

[????]

jaywalker Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Shouting Trump Out is not political discourse;

> and

> > a completely subjective observation is that

> most

> > people who go on marches of this sort aren't

> > really up for discourse anyway, or only a

> > discourse within their comfort/political

> zone.....

> > strikes me your not that much one for discourse

> > either to be honest.

> >

> > U/C on the internet is well known, among us

> plebs

> > anyway, of being indicative of shouting, which

> was

> > my point, as I'm sure most people realised

> before

> > your academic deconstruction....

>

> I guess you mean 'dialogue' rather than

> 'discourse' here. If so, no I do not want any

> dialogue with Trump, his supporters or those who

> cravenly submit to his will. The pleasures of

> hand-holding aside, what would be the reason for

> doing so?

There speaks an open minded academic..........you're a fascist of sorts too you know, like many who seem to think they have enlightened opinions.

[jaywalker]

no ???? I am not a fascist, and I deplore fascism.

as for open-mindedness (or, say, tolerance) I think most people who deplore Trump are just that - so they are against these decrees.

otherwise you will find yourself defining tolerance to include anything said or done - even where it is unspeakable.

[????]

well not having a dialogue with people you disagree with me is pretty closed minded (and anti-academic... no I'll change that to intellectual)......you are living breathing proof of the echo chamber and I claim my ?10. Your moral certainty is shared by fascists & extremist the world over and throughout history - i'm sure you're not a flag waving jackbooted version though but it's a scary thing to have such absolute righteousness

[esme]

Now over 913,000...

March this evening for those wanting to / able to attend.

[Sue]

Over a million now .....

[rendelharris]

Quids at 8.14: "we need to be realistic about what that is rather than shrieking Nazis at anything which isn't our viewpoint"

Quids at 8.17 to someone who doesn't share his viewpoint: "you're a fascist of sorts too you know, like many who seem to think they have enlightened opinions."

Touch of the old cognitive dissonance going on there...

[Seabag]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Quids at 8.14: "we need to be realistic about what

> that is rather than shrieking Nazis at anything

> which isn't our viewpoint"

>

> Quids at 8.17 to someone who doesn't share his

> viewpoint: "you're a fascist of sorts too you

> know, like many who seem to think they have

> enlightened opinions."

>

> Touch of the old cognitive dissonance going on

> there...

????'s is feeling the strain I think.

He recently posted something about Orwell and projecting our inner thoughts, maybe he's exploring that theme.

Anyway, I mostly like ????'s posts, even the ones illustrated above.

[uncleglen]

'smashes'....yes fine choice of word- but oh so predictable

[????]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Quids at 8.14: "we need to be realistic about what

> that is rather than shrieking Nazis at anything

> which isn't our viewpoint"

>

> Quids at 8.17 to someone who doesn't share his

> viewpoint: "you're a fascist of sorts too you

> know, like many who seem to think they have

> enlightened opinions."

> Touch of the old cognitive dissonance going on

> there...

Nice selectiveness there RH ( a bit of a MO of yours) . 8.17 was To someone unwilling to engage with people with a viewpoint they disagree with by their own admission

[rendelharris]

Yes, he said he didn't want dialogue with Trump and so you called him a fascist. You, one assumes, do want dialogue with Trump. I fail to see how that's not you "shrieking Nazis at anything which isn't our viewpoint."

[????]

???? Wrote:

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> well not having a dialogue with people you

> disagree with me is pretty closed minded (and

> anti-academic... no I'll change that to

> intellectual)......you are living breathing proof

> of the echo chamber and I claim my ?10. Your moral

> certainty is shared by fascists & extremist the

> world over and throughout history - i'm sure

> you're not a flag waving jackbooted version though

> but it's a scary thing to have such absolute

> righteousness