Petition to prevent State Visit by Trump

[jaywalker]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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What is

> the point of objecting? May has just done an arms

> deal with Turkey. Object about that too. It is at

> least as distasteful.

I think there are two reasons. 1. (as the leader writers in the FT, Times and Standard all made clear today) the refugee decree potentially damages the UK's national interests (as it, and like measures, will for example risk fostering terrorism). 2. We claim to have a special relationship in which our nuclear security is founded on absolute trust with them - it matters far more that we can trust them than countries like Turkey or China where deals are made for purely commercial benefit.

There is also the growing sense that the EU itself is being undermined in an unholy alliance between the USA and Russia. As May to her credit has made clear, that is certainly NOT in our interests.

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> SuperSize burgers and soda pop at the banquet

>

> Advertising emblazoned on the mounted soldiers of

> the Household Cavalry

>

> Ticker tape parade down The Mall

>

> I can't wait

Ok, you sold it, I'm there.

Do we get Corn Dogs ?

They look grim, taste grim, are grim. But people eat them.

[????]

Some genuine questions i'd like answered and some thoughts to ponder around Trumps EO on 'the ban' before the whole virtue signalling internet collapses please

1) If it's a "ban on muslims' how come many muslim countries aren't in it, including say Indonesia or Turkey both big population Muslim countries? I think it's actually ban on failed muslim states is it not? I think these were identified by the administration of that well known fascist american president Obama as the most current risk to US security. So it's not a ban of muslims contrary to headlines posts and the general stupidness of the Guardian et al.

2) I've read that it's a ban that ignores the muslim countries that have killed the most americans but these are ignored because of Trumps business interests - I think this is palpably horseshit (see above, the list is Obama's)

3) I've read that it's a ban - I *think* it's actually a suspension for 3 months whilst proper vetting is put in place on entries from those 6 countries (again as recommended by the Obama fascist dictatorship)- is this right?

4) Encouragingly in the spirit of tolerance and defending freedom of ethnicity/religon etc I've also seen 100s of posts on the forum and on Facebook, and of course multiple politicians , condemning those 16 countries who ban Israeli passport holders from entering (6 of them ban any passport holder with an Isreali immigration stamp in them!). Er, no I'm joking, I've seen feck all on this anywhere from the worthy defenders of freedom and decency.

Personally I think Trump is an idiotic choice as President and the execution of this demonstrates* - but he was democratically elected, is starting to do what he said he would on his campaign in the belief that it will solve the US problems (i very much doubt it will). But fook me I've seen a bunch of hysterical,emotive and incorrect shite all over Social Media and on the streets. A post fact world full of emotive tosh indeed.

* and that execution has had really unpleasant and even dangerous outcomes for many clearly

[Alan Medic]

He he.......another petition

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

[keano77]

Oh dear it's riddled with mistakes.

[????]

Better to precisely wrong than vaguely right eh Keano

[Alan Medic]

Some interesting stats on Americans killed by Muslims and Americans killed by Americans since 9/11

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/27/14412420/terrorism-muslims-america-islam-trump

[keano77]

???? Wrote:

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> Better to precisely wrong than vaguely right eh

> Keano

I've never signed any online petition and never will. But whoever has started this petition should have asked someone to proofread it before launching it.

The President has already been formally invited and the word is opposed not apposed.

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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> > Better to precisely wrong than vaguely right eh

> > Keano

>

> I've never signed any online petition and never

> will. But whoever has started this petition should

> have asked someone to proofread it before

> launching it.

>

> The President has already been formally invited

> and the word is opposed not apposed.

Don't get hung up on all this Keano

Opposed / Apposed , they're both right in the #AltFact world we now live in

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/shortcuts/2017/jan/23/alternative-facts-the-greatest-strongest-facts-that-ever-existed

[Jules-and-Boo]

Well, he IS doing what he said he would do if he was voted in. America did democratically vote him as their President.

It's not an anti-muslim ban. He didn't make up the list himself - he did inherit it from Obama's administration. It's not a permanent ban. It's about vetting immigrants.

Absolute uproar, all sorts of 'facts' misinterpreted at convenience.

It's quite remarkable that he is not swayed by popular opinion.

No doubt he will burn bridges and cause huge unsettlement, but we don't actually know what good he is capabale of, either.

I think we should not try and prevent the Queen honouring her invitation - we've had all sorts over here.

If anything, it's a good thing - an opportunity to work together rather than letting chaos resume unchecked.

The Queen is pretty awesome. I think even Blair was a bit scared of her.

And before you start saying I said something I didn't - I haven't actually said I like or dislike Trump. And refusing to insult him does not mean I am by default racist/ sexist etc.

[Louisa]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> Well, he IS doing what he said he would do if he

> was voted in. America did democratically vote him

> as their President.

>

> It's not an anti-muslim ban. He didn't make up the

> list himself - he did inherit it from Obama's

> administration. It's not a permanent ban. It's

> about vetting immigrants.

>

> Absolute uproar, all sorts of 'facts'

> misinterpreted at convenience.

>

> It's quite remarkable that he is not swayed by

> popular opinion.

> No doubt he will burn bridges and cause huge

> unsettlement, but we don't actually know what good

> he is capabale of, either.

>

> I think we should not try and prevent the Queen

> honouring her invitation - we've had all sorts

> over here.

> If anything, it's a good thing - an opportunity to

> work together rather than letting chaos resume

> unchecked.

>

> The Queen is pretty awesome. I think even Blair

> was a bit scared of her.

>

>

> And before you start saying I said something I

> didn't - I haven't actually said I like or dislike

> Trump. And refusing to insult him does not mean I

> am by default racist/ sexist etc.

Best post on all these Trump threads BY FAR. Wish some of the rest of you could be this level headed.

Louisa.

[JohnL]

Impeachment a real possibility at the moment.

But he'll just become even more obstinate. Somebody yesterday said he'd pass on the Presidency to his son :)

[uncleglen]

Yes, well said- especially pre-empting any more toys being thrown out of the ED pram. Trump is not a dyed-in-the-wool politician which is why he has the courage of his convictions- refreshing isn't it.

[Alan Medic]

Kamikaze pilots and suicide bombers had the courage of their convictions. Doesn't mean they were right though. Nothing refreshing at all seeing an ego maniac at work.

[red devil]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Yes, well said- especially pre-empting any more

> toys being thrown out of the ED pram. Trump is not

> a dyed-in-the-wool politician which is why he has

> the courage of his convictions- refreshing isn't

> it.

I can see the similarities Unc, both of you like to throw hand grenades without actually producing any evidence/facts to back them up. Seabag is still waiting for you to answer his questions by the way...

[red devil]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> I think we should not try and prevent the Queen

> honouring her invitation - we've had all sorts

> over here.

> If anything, it's a good thing - an opportunity to

> work together rather than letting chaos resume

> unchecked.

Lord Ricketts makes an interesting point on this issue, saying that to invite a POTUS so soon is unprecedented (no pun intended). Instead of waiting to see how Trump performs, May is clearly playing on his narcissism by offering a sweetener of getting to meet dear old Queenie as part of trade deal 'negotiations'...

ETA: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38805196

[Jules-and-Boo]

I didn't realise a certain time need to pass before a new President was welcomed. Is that for a reason? Or is it just historically accidental.

i.e. are they making a big deal about Trump coming earlier than any other President (no pun intended) becauase it breaches protocol? or just because they have found a thread to pick?

[red devil]

Neither, just common sense and waiting to see how things develop. Who knows, for instance in a few months time the Muslim Registry may have kicked in. That should be fun...

[rendelharris]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> I didn't realise a certain time need to pass

> before a new President was welcomed. Is that for a

> reason? Or is it just historically accidental.

>

> i.e. are they making a big deal about Trump coming

> earlier than any other President (no pun intended)

> becauase it breaches protocol? or just because

> they have found a thread to pick?

According to The Guardian it was hastily proposed just a fortnight after Trump's election to fight the influence of Farage. Whether this is true.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/31/how-nigel-farages-taunts-prompted-hasty-offer-of-trump-state-visit