drops of help? (anyone know of this company/charity?)

[underhillroad]

Hello, wondering whether anyone knows of this company/charity who dropped a bag through the letterbox today (unsurprisingly given my username i live on underhill Rd) asking for clothing etc donations to be collected on Thursday. Was just sorting out a pile of stuff to put in the bag when it occurred to me that this might be one of those dodgy companies that just collects clothes to sell to market stalls in developing countries rather than an actual charity. On the bag the written English is slightly dodgy and I can't get anything when I google the name of the collection "drops of hope"... any thoughts?! Clearly I want to donate to a registered and reputable charity who actually gives the stuff to where it is needed and not to line the pockets of some profiteering salesman who is sickly pretending to be a charity??

[DJKillaQueen]

I never give anything to those letterbox fliers. Most of them are companies reselling clothes in Africa for personal profit.

Best to take any unwanted items to a known charity or one of their shops.

[louisiana]

If they have no charity registration number they are not a charity*. You can check the name on the Charity Commission website

http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/

(text box at the top of the page, in the centre)

*except for housing and some education charities

[savage]

Hi

I live on Friern Road and also got one.

It's not actually a flier but a charity bag in a plastic wrapper making it look more like a legitimate charity, but it actually doesn't claim to be one if you read the small print. However i do think this could be quite deceptive for those who do not examine it carefully.

I agree take any items you want to donate to the charity shops to avoid usig these companies inadvertantly.

Kate

[Alec John Moore]

I reckon DJKQ's suspicions are correct. The Drops of Help Ltd is a private limited company registered in January this year:

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/7174c3e5c21cbd4130a9d21b0f67be9a/compdetails

No accounts have been filed at Companies House.

For future reference the definitive source of information on charities registered in England an Wales is the Charity Commission:

http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/index.aspx

The larger charities are often also limited companies so need to file information with both organisations.

[underhillroad]

excellent, thanks Louisiana, "your search for The drops of help ltd" has produced no results" acc to website you list. They have a "charity reg number" on their bag which is outrageous since they clearly aren't registered.

And, DJ Killa, yes I hear you, I would like to get to a charity shop ideally but just now I liked the convenience of the door collection; some are genuine (Scope, Age UK and British Heart Foundation for example have door dropped around here and are genuince collections for the registered charities) and so I hope others aren't scammed into donating to people who as you rightly put it, sell for personal profit. It saddens me to think that people do this and it must mean that the genuine charities lose out on donations.

[louisiana]

Small charities will also often be companies (limited by guarantee) and so on the CoHo database. You can't be a chairty without having some legal form (company or whatever).

It's best to check charitable status on the Commission website.

[underhillroad]

just to comment again on the drops of hope thing - they write "registered in England and Wales" (and put a number) but don't acually write charity on it, i guess to absolve themselves of guilt. Also the picture of the child's face with hand in mouth is particularly wrenching... I will keep my stuff till a genuine collection comes round or until I get to a charity shop to drop it off.

[louisiana]

That'll be their company registration number.

[wee quinnie]

Doesn't the fact that the company is callec Blah Blah LTD mean that they are a limited company and therefore not a charity?

Or am i wrong?

[ianr]

underhillroad Wrote:

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> excellent, thanks Louisiana, "your search for The drops of help ltd" has produced no results" acc to website you list.

That's because the b*ggers have left spaces out of the name, so it comes in a different place in the collation sequence.

Usual pattern: recent start-up, registered office in a residential area. http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/7e1a2dc562109c6f7b4f16053b8efea0/compdetails

Click the Order Information link and you'll get a director's name free.

[Alec John Moore]

Don't know the proportions so can't say most but a lot of charities are also ltd companies so you can check on both Charity Commission and Companies House websites. Some PTAs for instance may be registered with the Charity Commission but are less likely to have ltd co status.

[Alec John Moore]

Don't know the proportions so can't say most but a lot of charities are also ltd companies so you can check on both Charity Commission and Companies House websites. Some PTAs for instance may be registered with the Charity Commission but are less likely to have ltd co status.

[DulwichFox]

Drops of Hope do have a Website.

Here

Drops of Hope, Inc.

4851 West Hillsboro Boulevard

Suite A-11

Coconut Creek, FL 33073

Phone: (954) 428-4552

Fax: (954) 428-4553

Email: [email protected]

Florida based charity collecting in East Dulwich. ????

[DJKillaQueen]

Makes me think the two are NOT connected.

[DJKillaQueen]

I just had a leaflet drop through my door from 'Tree of Hope'. It has a valid charity Reg no. on it that I could check and it is a bona fide charity, along with a bona fide address, website etc and information on what they raise as spend as a not for profit organisation. Took me less than a minute to find out who they are and what they do.

At the bottom of the leaflet it says:

'People operate illegally in this area. DO NOT donate if your leaflet has no contact address, telphone no. and registered charity no.'

Seems like good advice.

[DulwichFox]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> Makes me think the two are NOT connected.

Thats the point.

People might of heard of the 'genuine' Charity Drops of Hope

The people droping leaflets are claiming to be them when they are not.

[binary_star]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> I just had a leaflet drop through my door from

> 'Tree of Hope'. It has a valid charity Reg no. on

> it that I could check and it is a bona fide

> charity, along with a bona fide address, website

> etc and information on what they raise as spend as

> a not for profit organisation. Took me less than a

> minute to find out who they are and what they do.

>

> At the bottom of the leaflet it says:

>

> 'People operate illegally in this area. DO NOT

> donate if your leaflet has no contact address,

> telphone no. and registered charity no.'

>

> Seems like good advice.

I actually emailed The Tree of Hope because I thought the flyer looked a bit DIY (the logos were badly pixellated), no bags were provided, and the web address provided for SOS Clothes Ltd (who are collecting the clothes on behalf of the charity) didn't check out. But a contact at the Charity confirmed this is a legitimate collection. Good job as we've donated clothes to them!

[concita]

things you give away for charity in this country are not sold for charity but for profit by the so called charity shops. if your goods are not designer clothes or expensive items, they are thrown away in the rubbish bins. Those expensive items are sold at exhorbitant prices which none of the poor in England can afford anyway. Primark is much cheaper for them and items are new.

When I was living overseas I learnt that USA charity organisations used to sell bales and bales of clothing in harbours, where market sellers/mafia go early in the morning bidding. If they are lucky they get good clothes which they can sell at good prices at the local market, otherwise, they collect buttons, zips and whatever is recyclable and sell separately. The clothes do not go to the poor.

In my opinion, if you wish to do charity and know people who are in needs, help them directly.

Once I had a beautiful coat, which I gave it away at a charity shop in Sydenham. I found the same coat (still having the same overseas dry cleaner badge inside) in a charity shop in Sloane Square, sold for ?85. That coat cost me much, much less. If I needed to buy again that coat, I could not have afforded it myself. Do you call this charity?

[giggirl]

Yes I would call that charity, Concita, so long as the ?85 raised by the shop by selling your coat went to the named charity that you had donated to.

Everything is supply and demand and sometimes things end up being worth more than we paid for them - obviously this was the case with your coat. It must have been a lovely coat so congratulations.

I give a lot of designer items to charity via the bags put through my door. If the charity can get as much or even more than I paid for the item then I'm happy for them. Why wouldn't I be?

[DJKillaQueen]

I've found many bargains in charity shops, bought a suicase and trolly for a fiver recently and was more than happy knowing it was going to the Red Cross. Clothes, I tend to give the decent ones away or to shops and the rest I put into the recycling bins where they are recycled to make rugs and other scrap based items. There is a way to recycle everything.

[concita]

money received from sale of clothes do not go always to the charity you donate to. They are used to pay high wages for their directors and managers.

Yes mine was a lovely coat and I would have been happier if I saw it on someone who was poor, not in a a wealthy area for the rich. It certainly was not sold it in Sydenham where there are many unemployed people.

Like everybody else, I did believe in by giving to charities shops, you help other poor in the area. After what I learnt and seen, I have become sceptical.

Charity begins at home. If you know someone in need, help them directly. If the charity shops want to help poor people in the area, those one who cannot afford to buy clothes, then they should keep prices down, not selling more than their second hand value.

[Moos]

The primary function of charity shops is to help the charities they support. If they can make more money for their organisations by selling to a shop in a wealthier area, why wouldn't they?

I don't support the argument that people working for charities should have low wages because they work in the volunteer sector either.

[giggirl]

I would say that it is the mandate of, for example, the Red Cross, to raise money for the Red Cross, not to assist the poor in any particular catchment area. Same goes for Cancer Relief, Mind, or any other.

If I was to put a designer item in a charity bag and whoever sorted through that bag on behalf of the charity decided that that item would fetch more money in a different neighbourhood then, more power to them. I give the item freely, hoping that the charity make as much money as possible. I've no desire to see someone walking up Lordship Lane in one of my dresses.

Lots of people who work for charities are volunteers, but there are some paid directors and managers. That's not a bad thing.

[concita]

that's why good causes never receive the right money.

This sort of charity is OK for this country, but overseas, people do help local people and do not mind if they see others walking in the same street with their clothes on.

Charities in this country are already supported by tax payers, by the national lottery, raffles etcc...

As you said there are many charity workers, but there are also many highly paid directors, who would not give a penny of their salary to support the charity they represent. It is certainly not a good thing.