Brendan Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Bog Trolls, can't abide them myself. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You are just too tight to tip *Bob*.Don't blame you - could be 6 months until you sell your next ditty. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Fortunately attendants in London (well outside the worst places in the west end) seems to be a dying trend.In fact the last time I saw any it was in Dublin.It's not a matter of being tight, I'm just perfectly capable of washing my own hands with soap and water thanks.In Holland the attendants (usually ladies outside the bog doors) don't wash your hands, but they do threaten to kill you if you think about setting foot back in the toilets having previously left without tipping.It always added an extra edge to the night out!And yeah, hate the silver trays. It smacks of thinking you're so grubby they don't want to risk touching your hands. Not enough toilet attendants clearly ;) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I'm not going to tip someone for serving me a drink from behind a bar, nor am I going to tip a toilet attendant. And it's not a question of being tight. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 You'd rather see the cost of service and toilet cleaning fully absorbed into the price of drinks? Fair enough - I suppose it's a matter of preference.Personally I prefer tipping bar staff as it incentivises good service. I also don't mind toilet attendants as they keep the toilets clean. I certainly wouldn't be intimidated by them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Why do we need to tip them. Aren't they being paid? It is an establishment's business to keep the toilets clean and the staff giving good service, not the customers'. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 It's just a fact that if they are getting tipped for serving they will serve more people. It's an incentive.Furthermore, if they are pleasant and courteous then they are likely to get bigger tips.I have no problem paying for good service- you rarely get it for free. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I think that's rubbish. How much service does one get when someone pulls a pint for you? People should be being paid enough to do the job properly. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Alan, did you say you spent some formative years in Cleethorpes?This would explain your comedy 'northern mentality' towards toilet attendants. "eee.. they 'ad a man in't toilet passin' t'soap an' all.. it were just like buckingham palace, I tell you.." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Each to their own. Traditionally Britain doesn't work with a tipping culture on the whole, outside of a restaurant or a cab.We expect Sainsbury's to be clean without having to tip, I don't see why it should be otherwise with The Bishop.Likewise, if I had a good night and good service I'll probably wave away a few quid change from a note, but I don't like that it should be expected with every drink and bad service ensues if you don't (a la the States); why should it be, that's your job to pour a pint and it took you all of 15 seconds, well done. Silver trays is the thin end of that wedge. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Asset- I think it's pretty obvious.Imagine working in a really busy bar with bar staff paid a flat hourly rate (minimum wage no doubt) then how would you feel about serving as many people as you could as quickly an courteously as possible. Now contrast that with the same situation but where each time you served someone you picked up 50p or a quid.Which bar would provide the better service do you think?Then it just comes down to whether you value good service and if so how much are you willing to pay for it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 The problem I have is I always tip them and tend to make friends with them as the night goes on and then get more generous as I drink more and by the end of the night I?m broke coz I gave all my money to some guy in the toilets. :-S Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 >>Then it just comes down to whether you value good service and if so how much are you willing to pay for it.<<The problem with this though is the next step in the progression: where the waiter/bog attendant/whatever instantly assesses each new customer for their "tip potential" and then proceeds to render a quality of service designed to realise that potential. The waiter blatantly and shamelessly working one table (to the detreiment of the adjoining tables simply because he rightly surmised these were businessfolk on expeses or rich americans or whatever and would tip him royally at the end of the meal used to be one of the real curses in eating out... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Reasons for bars employing toilet attendants (in order of actual importance)1. To create an impression (now hopelessly outdated) of 'exclusivity'2. To put people off doing coke in cubicles.3. To stop people having sex in cubicles.4. To keep the toilets clean.(4) Rarely ever occurs, as the unpaid attendant is too busy thrusting tissues at people and trying to make eye contact so they feel guilty enough to leave a tip. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 1. To create an impression (now hopelessly outdated) of 'exclusivity' - No one thinks that.2. To put people off doing coke in cubicles. - They don't stop you doing coke as long as you tip.3. To stop people having sex in cubicles. - See point 2.4. To keep the toilets clean. They do indeed.They also give out aftershave and chewing gum but I expect you've got your own bottle of Joop in your man-bag *Bob*. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 They certainly don?t create an impression of exclusivity. You tend to find them in tacky night clubs with sticky floors and crap music populated by guys with spiky hair and white button-up shirts and orange girls swilling alcopops. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I can just see you now, Alan, emerging from that toilet. Chewing gum. Fresh splash of Kouros. Top pocket brimming with Chupa Chups. Money well-spent. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 And I can see you nipping outside to slash in the bushes and save a quid. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Does anyone else - anyone AT ALL - think that toilet attendants are a good thing?Don't all shout at once. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mc Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 I don't like the word "incentivises" either. Why invent new words by turning nouns into verbs when an existing word will do? How about "encourages"? :-$ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 If you're idea of going uptown for a classy night out is Vogue on Stevenage's Roaring Meg, or Hollywood's in Romford, then a toilet attendant in a Leicester Sq club is probably the height of impressive exclusivity. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I don't see why a man with no arms would have a downer on toilet attendants.If you give them ?2 they'll probably hold it for you. Got to beat the usual Friday night with damp thighs. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Great post, but a trip loungewards should come as no surprise :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Fortunately, there's always plenty of space to splash-around in the disabled loo. There are perks, you know. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-38232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Tomasi Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Just seen this post (13/9) on BITE. It was done anonymously so can't vouch for the content, but if it is true then it's not nice to hear. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/1367-the-montpellier/page/2/#findComment-39010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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