North Cross Road market - Proposed extension of trading days & Pitches

[Cassius]

cate Wrote:

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> Cassius Wrote:

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> > "I would like to see Vietnamese food, Mexican

> food

> > and other world cuisines."

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> > Agreed - there is a 'foodie' market in Venn

> street

> > in Clapham Common last weekend of the month -

> > offerings such as delicious arancia 'risotto

> rice

> > balls' from Sicily which are one of my

> favourites,

> > and it would be great to have similar closer to

> > home.

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> See my post about Elephant and Castle Sunday

> market in the Lounge.

I have and I am very interested in visiting another Sunday - sounds very interesting. Elephant is not my favourite part of London (was mugged there a few years ago) but anything that can add to the vibrancy and diversity of the area has to be a plus.

[DulwichFox]

Pearson Wrote:

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> ^really! is your car the be all and end all?

> How childish it makes you sound.

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> Please feel free to park in my road which is very

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> close and would mean your poor legs wouldn't have

> to walk too far :(

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Listen to me you are not the most popular person here (EDF) with you arrogant, ignorant racist(pikies ?) views.

I walk 5 miles most days when the weather permits. so you do not need to worry about my poor legs.

If you read all my entries you would of read that I take my disabled mother shopping every Saturday.

She is eighty-four and has had multiple hip operations because the first two went wrong

She would like to come back to my home after shopping. But we cannot park.

She cannot walk from two streets away.

I hardly ever use my car. so Quote "really! is your car the be all and end all?" end Quote No it is not.

There are 2 or three disabled drivers in my road. They need access and closing North Cross road

would not help them.

I am not just thinking about myself.

You sound like a very selfish person and have already indicated that you could not care less.

[Mscrawthew]

I am really puzzled that nobody has picked up on the fact that Friday in Northcross Road is and has been for a long time, virtually empty of market stalls? Extending the scheme seems to be a very strange thing to do if the already allocated days (apart from Saturday) Aren`t even used to there full potential?

[????]

I agree - weekdays looks a non-starter and Sunday might be a day too many but I think allowing more stalls on a Saturday 'might' work

[TillieTrotter]

I indulged in one of Cooper's hot dogs on Saturday. Yummy.

[SteveT]

The markets I shop in usually have bargains, but I have yet to score any bargains in Northcross market.

It is more like boro' market and bargains there are as rare as rocking-horse sh!te.

[James Barber]

I think the suggestino that Northcross Road market on causes the parking pressures on Saturday unlikely. I suspect its the other 300 local shops attracting shoppers.

[James Barber]

Finally I've been able to upload copy of the consultation.

[charliecharlie]

I think it is very interesting the MooTown where told they could not sell bread...

Pretty Traditional (the green grocers, who have been trading there for 45 yrs) used to sell delicious organic bread (and I guess it was profitable for them, as they sold it for many yrs). Once Blackbird Bakery came... they stopped selling bread as I guess the bread sales all went to Blackbird... it seems to me that the focus and support is often on the market traders with less consideration for the retailers. Pretty Traditional sold bread, and Blackbird were not told they could not sell bread... does not seem that the same principles are applied across all trading issues!!!!

what is going here, James?

ps I am not a retailer!

[James Barber]

Hi charliecharlie,

I think you'd need to ask Pretty Traditional why.

Markets usually have a minimum stall seperation between stalls selling the same stuff.

[Bubbles]

James Barber Wrote:

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> I think the suggestino that Northcross Road market

> on causes the parking pressures on Saturday

> unlikely. I suspect its the other 300 local shops

> attracting shoppers.

This may be the case James, but the traffic is still free flowing on NCR on Saturdays albeit parking is a nightmare. Possible proposal to close NCR for Saturday market will definately have an impact on both traffic flow and parking. Don't you think?

[James Barber]

Hi Bubbles,

The consultation is not asking or proposing to close Northcross Road to traffic on market days.

If sufficient people respond in the other comments box then that might be somethingh we propose at a later date and that would have its own consultation with opportunities for full comments.

[Bubbles]

Thanks James! That's very re-assuring to know. However I do query the validity of the online survey, as it was quite rightly pointed out in an earlier post, that anyone can complete the online form more than once and not necessarily a resident/business owner in ED.

[James Barber]

Hi Bubbles,

I specifically asked that the online survey confirmed name and address. I also asked that survey ask whether people wanted the number of stalls to rise from 20 to 30 OR 40 solely on Saturdays and that the stall number rise only be proposed for Saturdays.

I'm in opposition to a Labour Southwark Council. I had imagined that something so local would defer to ward councillors wishes.

[duke]

I think that there are no available customers or very few to extend Friday trading, the small number of traders that stall on Fridays are established and have their own limited amount of customers to make it worth while opening for them, any more traders would be trial and error on there part to see if they could do any business, which could be messy!! As for Saturdays extra stalls would be welcomed, as healthy competition should be encouraged not outlawed. Week days Mon-Thurs there are no customers for a Market, the same with Sundays and totally unfair to the people who live their,

( I live much further back )

And North Cross Road should be closed on Saturdays to all traffic including cyclists, and made a one way road on other days, ending at lordship Lane, (so there is no entry from Lordship Lane into North Cross Road) or do we have to wait until some one is killed or seriously injured before the council take action as usual?

Also some of the side roads off North Cross Road should also be made one way from NCR which should help with parking for residents!.

[DJKillaQueen]

or do we have to wait until some one is killed or seriously injured before the council take action as usual?

The only time I've had near misses on that road is when pedestrians too stupid to look first walk out in front of me ....especially when I'm cycling I'm afraid (I've never had any problems with other vehicles either as a driver or cyclist). If all poor 'green cross code' sense were to be dealt with by road closures there's be few roads left open in any town or city. As a pedstrian I have never had any problems crossing that road and if some pedestrians however choose to cross in a stupid place or without looking any accident will be their own fault.

It seems pretty clear from what most people are saying on this thread there is no demand for an extended market and certainly not one open 7 days a week. Road closures and extra stalls would be a clear move to create a magnet for market goers at weekends, which means it would have to be promoted as such to attract the custom to justify the changes. Local residents have every right to be concerned by anything that would dramatically change their experience of living there at weekends.

[SeanMacGabhann]

The latter yes, but it's pushing it to say there is no demand for an extened market on Saturdays - quite a few people on the thread have welcomed it

[charliecharlie]

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I think you'd need to ask Pretty Traditional why.

Markets usually have a minimum stall seperation between stalls selling the same stuff.

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Thank you for your reply James, though my question (see below) was about how the focus often seems biased towards to supporting market trader's needs and businesses and less on supporting the retailers in the street.

(not about why the greengrocer stopped selling bread!!!!)

[quote name=I think it is very interesting the MooTown where told they could not sell bread...

Pretty Traditional (the green grocers' date=' who have been trading there for 45 yrs) used to sell delicious organic bread (and I guess it was profitable for them, as they sold it for many yrs). Once Blackbird Bakery came... they stopped selling bread as I guess the bread sales all went to Blackbird... it seems to me that the focus and support is often on the market traders with less consideration for the retailers. Pretty Traditional sold bread, and Blackbird were not told they could not sell bread... does not seem that the same principles are applied across all trading issues!!!!

what is going here, James?

ps I am not a retailer!]

[sambobia]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> The latter yes, but it's pushing it to say there

> is no demand for an extened market on Saturdays -

> quite a few people on the thread have welcomed it

Yes, my reading of the thread is that the Saturday extension has broad support. Less so Sundays and weekdays.

[James Barber]

Hi charliecharlie,

I don't think that's true. Retailers in Southwark have been supported. Small retailers told us they find it hard to compete with chains for investment etc. So the Lib Dems set up a scheme Improvement of Local Retail Environments - in East Dulwich that is going to see the shops on Underhill Road helped. To our west Norwood Road, to the south Lordship Lane opposite the Harvester. From memory ?4.5M of capital funding was assigned to this and every community council has received a share which it allocated after public consultation. The scheme started about three years ago when Cllr Richard Thomas was the eexecutive councillor in charge of Regeneration.

Useful summary of the programme - The ILRE programme has been developed to ensure the long term survival of vital local shops and sustain the communities that they serve. In consultation with the retailers, a strategy developed identifying main areas of action such as de-cluttering of the existing building fabric, improvements to the public realm and the replacement of shop fronts. The public realm improvements often consisting of repaving, lighting.

[charliecharlie]

I am basing my comments on what retailers in North Cross Road have said to me...

[charliecharlie]

I am basing my comments on what retailers in North Cross Road have said to me... and feel it is important to make sure that any changes to the NC Rd market and road are not to the detriment of the NC Rd Retailers and surrounding residents!

... and no... we don't want residents parking by the way

[DulwichFox]

So let us get away from congestion and parking and back to the Market Concerns.

One of my own Primary Concerns is Food.

An increasing amount of Food is being sold.

Much of this would seem Homemade, Under what conditions are these made. ?

Cheese and Meat produce sold from seemingly Unrefridgerated Units.

Any retail outlet (shop) selling food would be under close scrutiny with visits from Local Authority with no warning.

What safe guards are in place to ensure the Food sold at North Cross Market is safe.

[cate]

Southwark Council Street Market section and the Environmental Health Department should be able to supply these answers. I think the butcher selling meat has a generator which supplies the refrigeration for the meat. The fish man has ice. Some of the traders have boxes with those ice packets in them. I don't like the fact that a lot of food is left uncovered allowing flies etc to land but you often see that in shops as well.

[James Barber]

We arranged last year to buy the materials and have funding in place for the installation of electric pop up points.

So every stall should have electricity.