Why do smokers think it is ok to throw their flaming butts on ground?

[Brendan]

but perhaps not so well in their cups to have misplaced their under-crackers.

[SeanMacGabhann]

cate - I was responding to the poster who posted the above. Like you I think anyone saying "there is nowhere to put them" is obfusticating

[seanmlow]

I can honestly say I wish I had so much time on my hands to be able to get wound up so easily with these issues. Good God.

[SeanMacGabhann]

sean

do you find it easier to sell house with lots of litter and fag butts outside the front door, or tidy properties?

[seanmlow]

Hi Sean -

I agree, tidy houses are nice to sell, but a few fags ends will probably not put off a serious buyer.

[pk]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> >

>Like you I think anyone saying "there

> is nowhere to put them" is obfusticating

there's something about this sentence that makes me chuckle

[SeanMacGabhann]

Sean. The wider point stands.... You get more commission for selling properties for higher prices in nicer areas. Nicer areas tend not to have so much litter. It's not a nothing problem.

[seanmlow]

No, but what I mean is it is an area of London - fags end in the gutter are par for the course! I honestly doubt someone will decide against a house which ticks every box for them because the drain has dog ends in it! Perspective!

[eater81]

Conclusions:

-smoking is a dirty habit.

-throwing fag buts on the floor is bad, but there are worst crimes.

-London, like any big city has a lot of people throwing litter, that is why it has nightly mechanical street sweepers to mitigate the problem.

-the original poster needs to put their time to better use.

THREAD CLOSED.

[Ridgley]

Well Honaloochieb

What ever turns you on, there plenty of Geezer Birds old boilers in Bermondsey and they love Millwall rich pickings for you

>:D<

[Huguenot]

If there were a pile of fag butts outside my house, I'd be asking quite serious questions about why smokers are hanging around my house all day and whether they represent a threat. ;-)

I think fag butts on the ground are horrible. Not only that, but I think it's a bit like broken window syndrome - where the discarded fag butts presage a wider disinterest and respect for our society.

[HonaloochieB]

I don't think a few cork-tipped tab ends and spent dimps really matter that much, if at all. They barely count as litter, in fact.

Once you get the plastic bags, fast food shells, bottles, cans, dog sh!t, tissues, fish and chip wrappers, car batteries, discarded copies of the Metro, drink cartons, used biros, discarded religious tracts, apple cores, half pairs of shoes, single dose methadone bottles, discarded copies of the Standard, oily rags, crumpled up flyers, babies' dummies, Friends VHS tapes, half kebabs, broken umbrellas, spew, dead foxes, lolly sticks, foil food containers, unspooled Chesney Hawkes cassettes, broken make up mirrors and rotting veg all bagged-up and landfilled you'd have to be the most carping of pedants to take issue with a few dog ends.

I'm sure most people agree.

[seanmlow]

Agreed.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Sean. Hon b was using irony and sarcasm. Some of the many comedic tools at his disposal

Even if he says he wasn't

[HonaloochieB]

Wasn't.

[SeanMacGabhann]

See?

[Jah Lush]

I think the Right HonourableloochieB was being serious and I'm rather inclined to agree with him. So there!

[Keef]

As do I.

Cate, although you claim this thread is specifically about littering, you do have a serious issue with smokers, and that makes me suspect that you'd have been less inclined to start a thrad if, say, you'd seen the employees of these businesses leaving empty cans on the floor or something.

I agree with Jah, the little stub-it's or whatever they were called, should be more widely available.

[Keef]

Just found one I was given at the Lambeth Country Show a while back. They are called Stubbi.

And they don't cost much

[pk]

Keef Wrote:

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> that makes me suspect that you'd have been less inclined to

> start a thrad if, say, you'd seen the employees of

> these businesses leaving empty cans on the floor

> or something.

>

i wouldn't be so sure, she's also currently disgusted by a ("lazy mare" of a) mother who dropped a tissue on the ground in the park

[bookhopper]

cate Wrote:

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> bookhopper Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > should you not be moaning about the businesses

> > that dont provide the equipment? (IE - Wall fag

> > stubber-outter, bin with a butt end bit...etc)

> > What else are the smokers suppost to do if

> there

> > company wont provide?

>

> eater81 I haven't named any employees. Based on

> your posting history it's a bit much for you to

> criticise any efforts ot make this area a better

> environment.

>

> Bookhopper, there are such things as portable

> ashtrays. And if you don't have one a disposable

> cup with water in it works just fine. And see

> below.

>

> It's obvious you didn't read the thread. The

> solicitor office does provide a wall bin but the

> employees don't use it. After I said something

> to one of them she picked it up and deposited it

> in the bin despite telling me it was

> biodegradable. Il Mirto has tables outside which

> could/should have ashtrays on them. It is the

> owner of the business who sits out there and

> smokes as well as employees.

I know, hows about you run for parliment? seeing as you clearly have a tad too much time on your hands. one way to look at it is, with them being on the floor, the council employ people to clean the streets. If you cant see the brighter side, buy "portable ashtrys" in bulk, and hand them out on your day to day travels to anyone who is in need.

[DulwichFox]

Ok....

So buy a Stubbi.

Smoke your Ciggarettes. Place butts in Stubbi.

You can put Chewing gum in some Stubbi's

When your Stubbi is full.

Simply drop it on the Pavement, Road, Park and forget all about it. ***Simples***

[Jah Lush]

Keef Wrote:

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> Just found one I was given at the Lambeth Country

> Show a while back. They are called Stubbi.

>

> And they don't cost much

Cool.. I'm a gonna get me leopard skin pouch Stubbi and maybe a camourflage one too.

[Gimme]

eater81 Wrote:

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> Ed is not some quaint surrey village, it is

> a comparitively nice but still densely populated

> inner city area surrounded by urban ghettos, where

> like it or not litter and general filth are par

> for the course.

Why should it be par for the course? Why should we accept it?

There is nothing like a cynic, who thinks anyone trying to improve things by complaining about things like littering, to ensure that the place remains less pleasant that it might be. If we all had that attitude we'd be in a real hole.

[Earl Aelfheah]

chewing gum is a much bigger problem in my book. Oh, and dog sh*t. That really get's my goat, and let me assure you, I clear up after my goat.