People I like

[Narnia]

If this has turned into lipstick I like, I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the nude variety is?

[Huguenot]

I don't think it is a lipstick like, I think it's DM being paid by TF.

The repeated use of the name and the brochure speak is an example of that.

It's a dismal commercialisation of the EDF of which DM, as a long time correspondent, should be aware.

Whatever the f*** the PR goons have told you DM, they don't know even the half of it. They're silly little children in a big bad world.

I'm truly disappointed that DM should stoop to such gutter behaviour, and I hope she catches herself before she loses her self-respect.

[Mick Mac]

whoops, too late.

[RosieH]

Ach Huguenot, seems unduly harsh to me. Myself and Giggirl started the lipstick talk - DM was simply sharing info that her blog has given her access to.

We all share info that our work gives us access to, whether for general altruistic reasons, to further the flow of discourse, or sometimes for the greater glory of personal ego.

And Mick, belligerent much?

[katie1997]

and I love the lipstick-I-like talk.

(although sorry dearest DM, I am not liking the sound of that deep dark plum colour as I cannot wear those so its jealousy really) ;-)

narnia - nude lipstick is a tricky one.

It can be difficult to wear as it depends on your complexion. Some nudes have cool tones (blue/yellow pigments) and others are warm. As well as finding the exact shade, texture is important with this pale colour. Too chalky and you look like death; too glossy just looks wrong.

Its a versatile classic that enables you to wear quite different colours on eyes/nails and (perhaps importantly for you?) your wardrobe and accessories. ;-)

Its also great fun trying to find the 'right' one.

Edited to add the missing word.

[Huguenot]

RosieH, I know you're just espousing your very marvellous industry :)

I don't reckon her blog just gave her access to the info, I reckon she was actively pursued by some friendly PR types who probably chucked her some freebies or other incentive to continue to promote the brand.

In other words she's promoting a product for personal gain.

Once people cross that boundary on a community forum, they've broken the unspoken rules of the relationship, let alone the rules of posting.

I have no problem with marketing, I just think that it should say *advertorial* across the top and should be excluded on the grounds that the forum doesn't take advertising.

[RosieH]

Ah Huge, you got me!

Sure I'm aware of the fine line, but I don't think the EDF is bang-on target for Tom Ford. What I meant about the blog giving access to the info, is that it's the blog that the Fordians are interested in targeting (and twitter too doubtless), which is why they will have invited DM to a swanky-pants do. A community forum where people complain about the price of a sausage roll isn't going to yield massive sales of a ?35 lipstick.

And that's why I think DM was just enjoying sharing her new-found info on gorgeous ladies' fripperies with like-minded flibbertigibbets, rather than ruthlessly pursuing her dreams of stockpiling nail varnish.

Anyway, these days, we PR folks have yielded our superiority in targeting bloggers to the big balls advertising folks, and general marketing folks, and "digital" folks, so it's just as likely it was one of your marvellous industry who extended the invitation. ;-)

[Huguenot]

Our marvellous industry darling.

I'm firmly of the mind that the blogging and social media industry should be in the hands of PR folk rather than advertising or digital folk - they come at it with a hammer and end up with results (possibly like this one) that are so unsubtle it's like gettting lemon juice in your eye.

I just wish the PR folk would smell the coffee and get some digital training - it's really not difficult.

Anyway, your post made be look up the TF target market. To which the man appears to have answered...

"Who?s your target customer?

I am. I like to design for me as I am, me if I was 60, me if I was 25, me if I were thin, blond, six foot tall and 25; everything runs through a filter of ?Would I wear that if I were that person? Our real target is men in their 30s and 40s, urban customers"

Except that to know a man, know his diet...

"he lays off the man jizz and eats his vegetables when he?s feeling fat"

I reckon that sounds like a firmly held EDF audience? No? :D

Maybe I found another bloke with the same name?

[RosieH]

Priceless. That's absolutely beautiful.

People I like = Tom Ford and Huguenot

[dulwichmum]

Huguenot,

I didnt start the conversation about Tom Ford, I simply joined in and said that I had been invited to a press event. As people clearly like the products I thought I would keep them up to speed. I am horrified at how arrogantly you attack others on here. Your behavior is nothing less than bullying and your ignorance breathtaking. Shame on you. I thought that you were bigger than that. No doubt you will bounce back on here with your clever words and put me down, but just think about it please. You are completely out of order.

You make me feel ill.

[Mick Mac]

RosieH Wrote:

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> And Mick, belligerent much?

Just a little dig, like wot I get from her. :)

[jalapeno]

Huguenot,

Given that you are a man of such humble prudence,

I hope you find the compassion in your heart to excuse the yellow/blue obsessed lipstick lovers as such

glamorous contraptions can leave a lasting effect on some thus causing a degree of irrepressible perturbance in the victims. Addictive as it seems, certain hedonistic pleasures come at a bitter price, I may add.

For the record, fashion designers loose their importance when they deflect their attention on this kind of trivia

and I refuse to pay ?45 for a lipstick that bears nothing but a mere brand name. Mac & Bobby all the way!

[katie1997]

flibbertigibbets is exactly right :)

anyway, isn't this supposed to be about the germans and busty barmaids* of a certain age and something else ?

* who no doubt prefer vibrant red lipstick

[jalapeno]

Number crunching nude lipstick - I too like it. (tu)

[Huguenot]

DM your entire online persona is set up to get a reaction to sterotyping and ridiculing young urban mothers by portraying yourself as self-centred, insincere and spoilt.

You can hardly blame anyone else if you do it so effectively that you raise a disparaging remark.

These aren't 'clever words' and they're not bullying, they're just the reality. If you don't get freebies through your blog and then write about them I'll eat my hat.

If you state categorically that this has never taken place and you intend never to let it take place then I shall humbly apologise.

If it has, then your 'complaint' is somewhat duplicitous. :-S

[Ted Max]

If a satirical construct is promoting a product, doesn't that mean that "we" are being asked to think the product is rubbish?

ie If Tom Ford is beloved of vapid, self-obsessed monsters like DulwichMum then "we", being the right-minded readers in on the joke, wouldn't want to be seen dead in Tom Ford, for fear of being thought of as sharing the tastes of vapid, self-obsessed monsters.

Therefore, I conclude the author behind DulwichMum is actually in the pay of Boots No.7, and is conducting an effective counter-campaign against over-priced "designer" cosmetics.

No further questions, m'lud.

[jalapeno]

My oh my, so much some can conjecture from a simple sniff. Dear village oracle, satirical, maybe but all other accounts - spare no time for time is of the essence.

[sid]

oh Hugenot...

 

[intexasatthe moment]

Dulwichmum - I'm sure you've worked this out for yourself but Hugenot's main interest in posting seems to be about winding people up . Responding to his ( ? ) posts ,only encourages him .

[SeanMacGabhann]

Of all the things that people can take against Huguenot for (his robust use of language, his certainty etc), I don't think you can say the statement above is true. He is a bullsheet-sniffer extraordinaore and the world needs more people like him

Of course, he isn't always right (who is) but he can apologise when the need arises.

[Ladymuck]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> Of course, he isn't always right (who is) but he

> can apologise when the need arises.

Actually, I'm always right Sean.

JOKE!!!!!

[Loz]

Narnia Wrote:

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> If this has turned into lipstick I like, I'm still

> waiting for someone to explain what the nude

> variety is?

It makes you look like you have hairy lips.