X Factor

[Narnia]

Perhaps Admin was off quay?

[Keef]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> He might have won but he sang nothing in tune

> either tonight or last night....

None of them did.

[DJKillaQueen]

That's true but Rebecca's version of the winners song was a million times better than Matt. That's the version I'd buy....not the bland and boring version of Matt's. Matt needed the win more than Rebecca does.

[aquarius moon]

daizie Wrote:

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> Yes he won because we all voted for him because

> you told us to

It worked then!

Thanks everybody x

[DJKillaQueen]

Yeah he won but selling millions of records is another matter......Leon Jackson comes to mind, Steve Brookstein even and oh Shane ward looks destined for the X factor winners graveyard too lol.

[Keef]

But of course, you wish him the best of luck, don't you.

[TillieTrotter]

Rebecca was never going to win as the scousers never have credit on their phones!!!!

Good win Matt. Don't take it toooooo personally DJKQ;-)

[DJKillaQueen]

LOL I don't take it personally...I've said all along that the final four will get record deals and sell records.....and I wouldn't be suprised if Cher truns out to be the real money spinner for Simon Cowell. And of course I wish them all luck......

[Jeremy]

I wouldn't mind this show so much if they didn't all sing nothing but cover versions throughout, and when one of them eventually releases a single, it's yet ANOTHER bloody cover! This show has nothing to do with creativity - hell, it has precious little to do with music at all.

[Brendan]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> This show has

> nothing to do with creativity - hell, it has

> precious little to do with music at all.

Duh.

[Tarot]

Hooray. its over.

[DJKillaQueen]

LOL you won't be buying a ticket for he tour then?

[RosieH]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> I wouldn't mind this show so much if they didn't

> all sing nothing but cover versions throughout,

> and when one of them eventually releases a single,

> it's yet ANOTHER bloody cover! This show has

> nothing to do with creativity - hell, it has

> precious little to do with music at all.

Meh. Plenty enough people don't write their own songs. Elvis for instance. He was shit.

Don't expect an actor to write the play as well as act it, or do you?

[SeanMacGabhann]

Elvis, Johnny Cash, Billie Holiday

Interesting people, amazing voices and real empathy with music leading to genuine interpretations of others songs

Xfactor contestants:

Money grubbing, relatively talentless, fame hounds destined for nowhereseville. Like aliens who spent the journey to earth reading about music and singing and try and employ what they've learnt when they arrive

Comparing this lot to Elvis? for shame RosieH, for shame (even tho I know you were just using it to make the point about cover versions)

[Keef]

For the most part Sean, you're right, but I'd say there is the odd flower amongst the weeds.

[SeanMacGabhann]

No doubt keef, no doubt. But given the effort involved I?ll stay prospecting in different fields

For a good mix of new and talented artists, coupled with some old-timers, the monthly Word cd that comes with the magazine will, by a factor (ho ho) of 100, lead to a better listening experience

Another problem I have with the cover versions is they aren?t just covering other pop songs, but mullering and destroying stone cold classics. I was listening to ?Into My Arms? the other morning on the way to work and suddenly thought that some bright spark on the production company would love to get their hands on that. Ick ick ick

[mockney piers]

Do you prospect for flowers? Weird.

You could prospect IN flowers (one for the crossword buffs there).

[DJKillaQueen]

I agree Sean...pehaps the muller factor would be more appropriate. Elton week was a real case in point.

Don't know anything about flowers though, apart from the hothouse kind. Again something perhaps Elton could help with!

[RosieH]

Shame on YOU Sean, for allowing your cynical weary Word-reading world view, to skew what was quite clearly on my part simply a point about artists not having to be singer-songwriters to be considered any good.

You know that I love the Elvis, and however much I may, on sentimental Christmas claret-drinking occasions, want to do rude things to Matt when he sings First Time Ever I Saw Your Face, ON NO PLANET would I compare him to Elvis.

Some of these X Factorers have got nice voices. They've got stylists. They'd make decent pop stars. I'm guessing (and this is just guesswork based on the people I have met and opinions that have been aired) that there are few EDFers who are target market for the "recording voice"s of these people. I never bought Bros's records, but they didn't make me cross.

Who buys pop music Sean, Jeremy? Is it you? Is it? It's just the telly, people. Let it go.

[Santerme]

Elvis...Lake Tahoe, the Saraha Hotel July 1971....to a small audience, magical for a 13 year old!

[mockney piers]

I thought no one bought music anymore (apart from me) it's all about the overpriced tickets these days.

O2? NO2 (ho ho ho, seewadididthere?)

[DJKillaQueen]

LOL......funnily enough stats on a Panaroma programme claimed that those that illegally download also buy the most CDs and that many of them are buying 20% more CDs than before which kind of blows the myth that piracy is killing music.

What piracy has done has stopped us being charged twice as much for CDs as our American counterparts, and frankly being ripped off. It has also broken some of the monopoly of the big publishers in deciding who gets to sell records and who doesn't. Bands that never would have got a look in can now sell records to a public who would never have heard their music had it not been for the internet and piracy. Totally off topic I know but kind of explains why the biggies have gone back to touring as a major source of profit.

The 02 though are just rip off merchants. The promoters sell tickets to them at reasonable face value but the 02 won't let the public by direct from them at face value for many events. Instead you have to buy from 02's own ticket agency which on average increases the ticket price by 200%, to line their own coffers. Legislation is needed to deal with what is just a legalised from of touting by some venues.

[LordshipLovely]

Been away and just caught up with the X Factor from Sunday.

Thought the singing, although I thought they were better this week than last, has been awful for a couple of weeks. The collaborations were a particular low point.

Also, is that not the 2nd time that TT have been invited on and the second time they have sang 'The Flood'? As much as I love them, I don't need them rammed down my throat (hmmmm)...

Anyway, bye for now, LLx

[SeanMacGabhann]

I?m not 100% sure but I THINK I?m being accused of not liking pop music somewhere in here.

If that?s the case can I at least try and protest my innocence. I love pop music. Have done since I was a nipper and do now. And whilst the likes of Rhianna and Gaga appear on Xfactor in outfits that make Madge appear the shrinking violet (and all before the watershed too ? tsk) they are palpable pop-stars. Yes, they may have a phalanx of writers, producers, makeup artists yadda yadda, they unquestionably have ?it? ? that thing that genuine pop stars have

Winners of Xfactor (and we have enough of a track record now to judge don?t we) aren?t like these people. They aren?t even pop stars several rungs down ? like, oooh I dunno, The Belle Stars, Kajagoogoo Or The Farm. Y?know, people with hits but no kudos.

They are just winners of Opportunity Knocks, only in 2010. What they don?t have is ?it?. What they do have is disproportionate access to TV audience ? where once you could see music on TV from disparate sources such as ToTP, The Chart Show, The Old Grey Whistle test and the Tube ? now you have this. And a few weeks a year on a graveyard slot you have Jools Holland*. Big woop

So no ? I do love pop music. Whether it?s the sample-heavy Crazy Right Now or Umbrella, or originals like Hey Ya, or New York great pop music rules.

* on a channel which is free to the population but which only about 20% of viewers bother with ? when exact same shows are shown on BBC1 ? boom 2 million viewers becomes 10 million.

[RosieH]

Yes Sean, but you did neatly sidestep the issue of deliberately misconstruing my point in order to have a little rant about these talentless fame hounds.

I didn't accuse you of not liking pop music - I just don't think you are the target audience for Cher, or Rebecca, or Matt for that matter. Maybe Mary...?

As long as there has been pop music, there have been manufactured acts. And that's all they are, no more, no less. Yes, they have the oxygen of primetime TV exposure, but so did the Monkees. They're not necessarily talentless - the top 4 could all sing - but are they your cup of tea? No. Are they someone else's cup of tea? Hell yes.

The fact that they're part of a diposable pop culture isn't their fault. I don't think you should hold it against them. And Kajagoogoo, really? Surely similarly so? Can you name anything they did after Life in the Big Apple? (and frankly, I think I was about 1 of only 10 people who bought that particular turkey).

Kylie was manufactured and rubbish when she started, now she's a pop princess (arguably still rubbish vocally, but doesn't matter, it's the whole package, innit?) Take That were a manufactured boy band, whom many, many, many considered talentless. It was clear from the outset that they were never going to last...

All this said, I don't really care one way or the other. I just think you're being needlessly snobby about it.